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    Are seedboxes and private trackers, when used in tandem, safe? In other words should I be worried about notices from my ISP, government fines, and or viruses when using them? I'm sure being smart plays a big part in this, so I'm curious. What are some of your safe seedbox practices? How about some of your safe private tracker practices? What do you consider "being smart?" Hopefully this thread can become a reference for beginners like myself.

  • #2

    This confuses me.

    The reason quite few people use seedboxes is because it is safer than home, it is decoupled from your home, your ISP.

    The reason quite few people use just private trackers is because it is safer than public trackers.

    You dramatically decrease the chances of being on somebody's list by combining the two.


    You can further decrease and risk by using an encrypted transfer protocol like FTPS, or SFTP.


    Beyond that, using a proxy to visit torrent sites, download torrents directly to your seed box, helps, but that is marginalia.


    Of course, a seedbox vendor that supports anonymity is a definite plus. Then even if something comes looking for you, there are no solid details to connect you to your seedbox.

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    • #3
      When I only used my home connection and went to public trackers such as TBP, I had received around 2 or 3 letters from my ISP.

      I switched to private trackers and seedboxes, and I haven't gotten a single letter. I'm not saying it's guaranteed or anything. I'd say that private trackers + a seedbox = less likely to get contacted by your ISP.

      The possibility is always there, I just feel safer using a seedbox and private trackers. Theres no guarantee.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Coulrophobiac View Post
        Are seedboxes and private trackers, when used in tandem, safe? In other words should I be worried about notices from my ISP, government fines, and or viruses when using them? I'm sure being smart plays a big part in this, so I'm curious. What are some of your safe seedbox practices? How about some of your safe private tracker practices? What do you consider "being smart?" Hopefully this thread can become a reference for beginners like myself.
        In private trackers, you almost get no viruses, because only trusted uploaders upload on the site, when you download from your seedbox to your pc, use SFTP to encrypt your data transfers.
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        • #5
          Is it possible for somebody third party (not your ISP) to see what you are downloading if you are using FTP to transfer files from your seedbox?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by xdpker View Post
            Is it possible for somebody third party (not your ISP) to see what you are downloading if you are using FTP to transfer files from your seedbox?
            When it comes to things like this, I'm inclined to go with anything is possible but in saying that there is only very, very small chance some would spend the time, effort and money to do so. If you use SFTP then that chance is even smaller.

            I wouldn't worry too much about it, I've never heard of anybody going to court because someone was able to hack in a see FTP transfers

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            • #7
              Thanks for the response everyone. I really appreciate it.
              Originally posted by xdpker View Post
              Is it possible for somebody third party (not your ISP) to see what you are downloading if you are using FTP to transfer files from your seedbox?
              I'm not sure. I'm interested if anyone else has a response to this. Also, I'm curious if anyone else has any other tips for safe torrenting. Encrypted file transfer was mentioned by BIgBoss01, TheDarkKnightR and Weaselbuddha. What about using tools like PeerGuardian to block harmful IP addresses from connecting to your PC? Also what exactly is acting as a "supernode?"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by xdpker View Post
                Is it possible for somebody third party (not your ISP) to see what you are downloading if you are using FTP to transfer files from your seedbox?
                No, esp. if you are using SFTP.

                RE: This thread, VPNs are also a good idea...
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                • #9


                  Again scratching my head...

                  With a seedbox you decouple your torrent activity from that of your home PC, you shouldn't need to run a torrent client on your home PC at all. Just an FTP client which talks to your seedbox.

                  Given that, why would peers be trying to connect to your home PC? What peers would PeerGuardian be protecting you against?

                  Consider this imperfect analogy:

                  You want to secretly mine gold from the ocean floor, you send a robot out to endure the harsh conditions there, the pressures, the marine animals attacking, the temperatures, etc. You occasionally feed the robot commands by radio via a frequency that the robot is listening on. To get your mined cargo up, you run down a transfer tube from time to time.

                  OK?

                  Now that robot is your seedbox.
                  Your home PC is the command and control ship on the surface.

                  Now how do you make that more secure?

                  • You can armor your transfer tube so no one can see what is being transferred ( Secure FTP ), and cannot be intercepted on its way to your ship.
                  • You can mine in areas that are sparsely populated ( Private Trackers )
                  • You can use a hard wire instead of the radio to transmit your commands, you can encrypt the commands ( Proxy/VPN )
                  • You can make sure that the robot records nothing, where it goes, who it talks to, or what it has mined ( No logs kept on your seed box )
                  • You can buy your Robot from a reputable dealer using a fake name and fictitious details, or make sure the dealer doesn't keep records, sells it anonymously, in cash. So that if the robot is captured it can't be traced back to you.



                  Hope that helps.
                  Last edited by Chmuranet; September 14, 2012, 12:03 AM.

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by Weaselbuddha View Post


                    Again scratching my head...

                    With a seedbox you decouple your torrent activity from that of your home PC, you shouldn't need to run a torrent client on your home PC at all. Just an FTP client which talks to your seedbox.

                    Given that, why would peers be trying to connect to your home PC? What peers would PeerGuardian be protecting you against?

                    Consider this not perfect analogy:

                    You want to secretly mine gold from the ocean floor, you send a robot out to endure the harsh conditions there, the pressures, the marine animals attacking, the temperatures, etc. You occasionally feed the robot commands by radio via a frequency that the robot is listening on. To get your mined cargo up you run down a transfer tube from time to time.

                    OK?

                    Now that robot is your seedbox.
                    Your home PC is the command and control ship on the surface.

                    Now how do you make that more secure?

                    • You can armor your transfer tube so no one can see what is being transferred ( Secure FTP ), and cannot be intercepted on its way to your ship.
                    • You can mine in areas that are sparsely populated ( Private Trackers )
                    • You can use a hard wire instead of the radio to transmit your commands, you can encrypt the commands ( Proxy/VPN )
                    • You can make sure that the robot records nothing, where it goes, who it talks to, or what it has mined ( No logs kept on your seed box )
                    • You can buy your Robot from a reputable dealer using a fake name and fictitious details, or make sure the dealer doesn't keep records, sells it anonymously. So that if the robot is captured it doesn't trace back to you.



                    Hope that helps.
                    Thanks. That makes a lot more sense now. But I'm still wondering about PeerGuardian and similiar blacklist/whitelist programs. They may not directly protect your PC. But by preventing potentially harmful IP addresses from connecting to your seedbox, don't you further lower risk of detection?
                    Thanks for the links. I'll check them out. Hopefully a moderator can merge some of these.

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by Coulrophobiac View Post
                      Thanks. That makes a lot more sense now. But I'm still wondering about PeerGuardian and similiar blacklist/whitelist programs. They may not directly protect your PC. But by preventing potentially harmful IP addresses from connecting to your seedbox, don't you further lower risk of detection?

                      Thanks for the links. I'll check them out. Hopefully a moderator can merge some of these.
                      There have been many articles written (Check out TF and other popular publications) which have shown that PeerGuardian and similar programs do not really do anything, and could infact make you stand out more.

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                      • #13

                        Whole idea is that the seedbox's IP Address is inconsequential, because it is in another country, run by another company, and can't be tried back to you - decoupled from you, and your real IP address.

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                        • #14
                          this is based from my experience

                          before when I was using Demonoid, my VPS provider was getting abuse complaints from the files that I've downloaded. When I started using transmission web client and utilized its feature where you can add a blocklist, it never happened again.

                          I used the level 1 blocklist from iblocklist.com

                          But nowadays since I transferred to rtorrent I just stick to private trackers.
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                          • #15
                            Another way is to stay in a country where the enforcement of downloads are lax or none.Just don't get involved in terrorism,child porn etc stuff along that line.

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