Thread: Banned Country Applicants

I believe it is time to rethink the burden of proof as it pertains to members of banned countries seeking invites in the Give Invites section. As it stands, absent proof that the invite-seeking member knowingly applied for an invite while residing in a banned country, the standard refrain is that inviters should be careful with their invites and the invite seeker has no culpability. Although inviters should always be vigilant, it also strikes me as equivalent to blaming the bodyguard for failing to protect the target while ignoring the role of the assassin.

So my suggestion is as follows:

Sticky Shein's sortable table of banned countries: http://www.torrent-invites.com/bitto...le-tables.html

Add rules to the give invites section similar to the rules in Request Invites. Rule 1: "Make sure your country isn't on the list of banned IP's. Please see the sticky in this forum for that information". Rule 2: "If your country is banned from a particular tracker, do NOT request an invite planning to use a proxy or some other anonymizing service to conceal your IP. You will be risking the inviter's account, so don't do it! Click here for a list of banned countries."

These changes would thereby put invitees on notice that ignorance is no defense to banned country rules. This would have an added benefit of raising awareness of the issue and hopefully result in fewer invite trees going down as a consequence.



The burden would thus fall on the invitee to not cavalierly seek invites that could cause his/her inviter to get banned due to running afoul of banned country rules. I think that is a reasonable item to task invitees with as they pursue invites at T-I.

Yes i completely agree and this move will also save the spamming of the threads.And will save a lot of time of the inviter to crosscheck users country.And this can be include "when invitee is requesting invite he/she must specify his/her country".

there you go it is very important that the invitee be required to post his country when asking for an invite for the above to work but it is a very good point brought up by Rellik and I second the notion that the invitee should be required to know whether his country is banned before asking for invite and if he pursues invite fraudentlently with this rule he can not claim he did not know

Originally Posted by shadowbuild

there you go it is very important that the invitee be required to post his country when asking for an invite for the above to work but it is a very good point brought up by Rellik and I second the notion that the invitee should be required to know whether his country is banned before asking for invite and if he pursues invite fraudentlently with this rule he can not claim he did not know

Actually mate, it works whether an inviter requires an applicant to post his/her location or does not so require. My first order of business when offering an invite to a tracker with banned countries is to check applicants' speedtests in their intro as a "trust but verify" measure. If available, I also check their recent applications to ensure that everything syncs up with respect to stated location. Point being, this suggestion will work as a stand-alone change and will not require the rules of giveaways to change otherwise.

Thanks in any event for the support!

This was the reason i put up the table from the beginning, besides that i wanted to have a updated thread here on the forums (which we already had) but also the possibilty to sort it.

Sort after countries (good for persons looking for invites) since they then can sort after theire country easy and then see all the trackers YOUR country is banned from.

And then after tracker (when a invited have a GA for a certain tracker to easily see what countries that are banned).

I totally agree that some kind of rules for applying in giveaways with a banned country would be in place. Foremost to make it alittle easier for the inviter before selecting out persons to invite.

In my opinion we should try to help people giving away theire beloved invites from getting both them and theire whole invitetree banned because of someone lying about the country they are from.

Help the inviter with as much as possible too keep people do giveaways and not to get second thoughts about doing it again because of something like this.

Lastly, for me it would be nice and alot easier to get my post sticky atleast somewhere, so i wouldnt have to "bump" it jsut to get some new inputs and comments. And of course to make my work alittle smoother when i dont have to check through other threads to keep mine updated.

I think that it would be better if the inviter could mention the list of banned countries in his giveaway thread.This could be found easily from Shein's nice thread, even after that this if a member from a banned country applies he/she can be banned without giving a second thought.the excuse that they didnt know cant be used if the inviter mention that in his giveaway.
I see that many a members do that here

Originally Posted by luhar

I think that it would be better if the inviter could mention the list of banned countries in his giveaway thread.This could be found easily from Shein's nice thread, even after that this if a member from a banned country applies he/she can be banned without giving a second thought.the excuse that they didnt know cant be used if the inviter mention that in his giveaway.
I see that many a members do that here

I respectfully disagree. Yes, ideally, an inviter would both know and mention banned countries when running a giveaway. Take a look at the giveaway section though--a few mention the banned countries in the giveaways, but most don't. With the constant influx of new members, it is the newcomers who are most likely to be victimized by this and lose their accounts. Also, I seriously doubt that with the status quo rules, a banned country person who applied a giveaway where the banned countries were listed would get banned from T-I absent something more such as lying about their country or otherwise trying to conceal it (e.g., running a speedtest from a remote server).

To me, the question is one of allocating responsibility fairly. Right now, in Give Invites, only inviters have the responsibility to care about banned country lists. Invite seekers can violate those restrictions without consequence at T-I. I believe that is unfair and wrong. We should do more to protect the lifeblood of this site--invite providers. My suggestion does just that and I feel it is both a feasible and sensible change.

That is indeed a good idea. I also hope that the 'banning comment' as written rightly by Shein in the 'banned country list' table (whether it is an irc invite ban or a specific ip series or isp banned) will be considered even if the applicant is from 'apparently' banned country list?
Otherwise a ban on a 'specific way of signup' / some specific isp from any country will result in resctriction for all the users from that country.......

Here is another recent example of a banned country member applying for an invite in the Give Invites section, this time with an added twist of falsely claiming that his country is not banned at the tracker in question: http://www.torrent-invites.com/mid-l...tml#post569504

I am hopeful that my suggestion, if adopted, will cut down on these sorts of incidents.