Thread: Intro: The Trading Question

What should we do when someone hints in their intro that they would trade? At the moment (unless they straight forward scream "I am a trader!") they are simply told to reread the rules and correct their answer and if they are not that retarded to not understand the hint they easily get in.
This negates the purpose of the question. On the other hand there are many people who are just starting in the private tracker world and who don't know what trading is and why it is so bad. These people should be given a chance. So this is my suggestion:

*If the person is obviously new to the private tracker community, e.g. been using only public trackers before, then they are given a chance even if they fail the trading question. In this case the interviewer should explain the newbie as best as possible why trading is bad so that the newbie will get so scared of trading that they won't even think of following this path in future.
Like tell them this together with cheating is the worst offence they can do and if they're caught they'll probably get insta ban from their trackers together with their whole invite tree. Example speeches taken from intros:

Trading is bad because it is selfish. It is the complete opposite of the sharing mentality. You are only considering what is good for YOU and what YOU hope to gain, not what might be good for the tracker or who might make a good member. Because of trading, many potentially good members are unable to get into high level sites simply because they don't have the invites to share. On the other hand, you might trade for say, FTN, and give an invite to someone who is a cheater... all because you wanted FTN. You aren't considering what is best for the tracker.

You should understand that trading is bad because this way you dont give invites to ppl who deserve to be a part of a tracker but only ppl that can give you smth in return. So the trackers get full of scammers and cheaters. If you give yor invites for free you'll give them to ppl that you truly feel they deserve them and will enrich the tracker they join. Thats why trading is forbidden at all private trackers and at T-I. If you're caught trading invites even outside T-I youll be banned here.

You seem new to private trackers so you dont know why trading is bad. All private trackers forbid trading and ban inviters and invitees if they catch them doing it. Most traders are cheaters and with trading trackers get polluted with bad userbase. When you give invites for free you select people who you think are worthy and will become good members of the trackers you invite them to.

Trading invites is NOT allowed in T-I. Private trackers ban traders together with their invite trees. Trading brings a lot of cheaters to the private trackers and worsens the userbase. When you give invites for free there are no selfish reasons and you choose only people who you think deserve them and will make good members of the tracker they join. I see you are new to private trackers and you may not know all this.
Do you promise if you join T-I not to trade invites ever not only here but anywhere else?

I see you're new to private trackers so you may not know why but cheating and trading invites is the most serious offence you can do. If you're caught doing it you and your whole invite tree will be banned from the trackers. When you give your invites for free you give them to people you trust will become good members. If you join T-I you will not be allowed to trade not only here but anywhere else.

selling and trading invites increases the chances of inviting a bad member because you'll be interested more in what you'll gain in turn. When you give your invites for free there'll be no selfish reasons and you'll care more to invite a worthy person. Just remember that cheating and trading invites is the worst offence you can do so never think of it in and outside T-I.

*On the other hand if the person is clearly not a noob to the private trackers world, e.g. been for a long time in private trackers, member of trackers that can't be so easily accessed etc, they should know what trading is and if it is allowed or not.
Such people shouldn't be simply directed to reading the rules if they hints they would trade. If a person who is a member of 5+ trackers or has anything higher than TL and still says they find nothing wrong in trading, for me they are most certainly a trader and not just misunderstanding the question.
IMO such people should not be given a chance to correct their answer and should be denied entry right away. Right now every trader with little brain in their head can get in after pointed to correct their trading question.



If this is accepted it'll be good to be added as a guideline in this thread: http://www.torrent-invites.com/intro...e-into-ti.html

A potential problem with the intro is that new comers can read other new comers' intro posts (correct me if i am wrong) thus, they will tell whatever we want just to get in. As suggested in other thread, we should just make the whole forum private and inaccessible to the public so that there is no "copied answers" among the applicants. And no "starting newbie" can see others' introduction.
In general, it seems like most people agree that we should make the intro section more selective and harder to get good member vs scammers.

I agree that newcomers shouldn't be able to read others' intros but I don't agree on making the forum private. The purpose of invite forums is also to give people that are completely new to the private tracker world a chance. Making the forum private will cut these people off as they will have no chance to get an invite (or whatever) or they won't know about the existence of the forum if it's not indexed by search engines.

I understand what your saying but you've got to remember that other torrent invite forums out there recommend trading, even if trackers don't. Also remember that T-I use to allow trading. Although keeping intros hidden from other midgets is a pretty good idea. It prevents copying of other users intros and would help against revolover and other dupe account users.
I never give intro's links. I always tell them to find the rules and read through carefully in order to alter the questions correctly

Sam

Originally Posted by Sam91

I understand what your saying but you've got to remember that other torrent invite forums out there recommend trading, even if trackers don't.

Other torrent invite forums recommend trading? Some trading & cheaters forums might but no serious torrent invite forums allow trading.

Also remember that T-I use to allow trading.

Used to is key word here, trading is banned from T-I for some time now and that's best for everyone.

Although keeping intros hidden from other midgets is a pretty good idea.

Midgets?


Anyway I do agree this are things worth looking into and it would be best if we could filter out some of the bad users right in the beginning, before they had chance to do any possible damage.

And new users should indeed be prevented from looking at other people's introductions, for example I believe that most people doesn't even bother to read the rules to find secret password in there since it's much easier to simply copy it from someone else's introduction, thus secret password loses its purpose.

I can understand what rawr means, but i have also seen a lot of non English speaking people misunderstand the question. Maybe, if first the question is rephrased to something like "What are your views on giving invites only in exchange to other invites?" or something along the lines, then maybe a stronger stand could be taken against the people who answer this question in the affirmative.

Also, i kind of like the idea of new members no being able to see others intro. I think a lot of them just copy the "Secret Password", which becomes apparent when you read the rest of their intros.

Yeah midgets is the new term for newbies on this site
Damage probably won't happen to this site. Vegas, Jenna and the rest of the staff.. and of course flutrose are too good at find scammers in the intros or on the site.
I agree with what you say at the end. It's too easy for midgets to copy info from other midgets intros

Sam

EDIT: Posted at the same time scoob *high five*

I can understand what rawr means, but i have also seen a lot of non English speaking people misunderstand the question. Maybe, if first the question is rephrased to something like "What are your views on giving invites only in exchange to other invites?" or something along the lines, then maybe a stronger stand could be taken against the people who answer this question in the affirmative.

I don't mean to be lingually racist but, if I recall correctly, flutrose posted a thread concerning foreigners lacking English skills, regardless of their 'torrenting' experience (I know thats probably not a word, lol). If they aren't able to communicate outside of applying for invites, what good are they to the community? What could they contribute? Especially when their intros are sub-par and they can't explain themselves, not to mention their occasional abrupt rudeness, like I've seen in past posts.

However, I agree if they mess up the 'Trading View' question even once, regardless of whether they can't speak English fluently or are in fact a Trader, that's enough to prove a trade could take place in their future with T-I, intentionally or not. That may not make sense but I'd rather not ramble on about something if everyone understands. Feel free to ask for more :P

Thats just my opinion.
Thanks..

Hey I seem to remember making that speech, rawr. =) Honored that you quoted me... and first too!

Your suggestion is solid. Use discretion - if you feel a member is experienced enough to know that trading is wrong then say that in their intro and don't rep them in.

Regarding making T-I private... it's been said before and I'll say it again. That is never going to happen. Never. Dave is firmly against it. T-I is about sharing. It's about making invites accessible. Whereas trackers seek to keep people out, our aim is to let them in. We are not elitist; we never shall be. Nor will we discriminate on the basis of sex, race, creed or native language.

Most people that are new to BT and private trackers do not understand why trading is bad. I never traded because I was fortunate to learn early on why its bad to do. It's our job, as more experienced members of the tracker world, to offer guidance and education. Most people are not scammers, and once they understand why its wrong, are quite willing to simply give away invites.

Everyone deserves a chance, and at T-I they will get one. Not two. Not three. One. But we have to give them that opportunity. It's what Dave wants, its what best for this site, and it's what our site is built on: sharing and trust.

P.S. I do agree that hiding the intro forum from midgets is a good idea if only to ensure that they read the rules and don't plagiarize.