Thread: Reaching out to tracker admins

So I think we can all agree that T-I is an extremely generous community that aims to act as a means to distribute invites to deserving members. But we all also know that it is in our best interest to hide where we got our invites since most trackers are not particularly friendly towards T-I. Which manifests in many of our practices here (different username, exposing minimal amounts tracker information for yourself and other people, etc). Many of us are afraid of being found out as a T-I member by these other trackers since that generally leads to revoking of your invite rights or a ban (it has happened to me).

As I thought about this, I realized that despite what trackers currently think, our goals line up with theirs: providing active, trustworthy to the trackers, and making sure those that try to cheat the system are barred for the torrenting community as a whole.

Because of this, I feel as though we should make an effort to try to connect with these trackers and establish a discussion with them. Not only explaining why we are their friends, but seeing if there is anything we could to help gain acceptance (i.e. only giveaways in the trusted section, allowing them to do recruitment themselves, etc).



We could explain the plan in such a way that not only are we communicating with them as a tracker, but trying to communicate with a network of trackers, and wish to act as a sort of a middleman. If someone has cheated, traded, or done something undesirable - not only would we ban them from our site, but we would make the information available to the trackers that we are partnered with so that proper blacklisting can ensue.

That's the basic outline of my idea, but there are a couple of things that need to be discussed before this can be acted upon. Mainly who do we have approach the trackers and how? It could be the staff here or some middleman - the real problem arises that by proposing the idea to staff - two things have to happen: 1) for many trackers you need to be a member of the tracker to access the IRC, and even if you don't IRC information such as IP can be retrieved which matters because 2) by bringing up the idea, you identify as a member of T-I - thus risking your invite privileges and account if discussions do not go well. We should also flesh out what benefits we can offer and in what ways we would be willing to bend to the will of a tracker whether that be restricting certain invites to certain sections or not distributing the invite at all.

feel free to edit, comment on any part of it .

P.S. I would like to thank ( airman, pony, and JOSH ) for all their help

the question is if there were no invite forums,blogs etc do you think that trackers would have activity?i dont think so.you cant give invites only to your real friend cause he might not be interested.tracker staff give their invites too.they dont give them only to their real friends.the thing is security for sure but a tracker wouldnt exist with 100 people only.

as for your suggestion i dont think they would open their ports to TI so "open wide".
i think there are some admins,staff etc here who can check what they want, they have friends here and they do giveaways too.
they are people too, they share the same feeling,the same interests and they are no different than anyone here cause we share our p2p news and tracker stuff.

of course scammers,traders,cheaters are no welcome but we cant have everything.

connections + friendship might work in some trackers but you know many of them are not willing to talk cause of their penis.

We aren't asking for the ports to be open wide, just allowed to coexist as an accepted part of a tracker's existence. There are many headstrong admins, but there are far more rational admins - which is the point of reaching out. The idea is not to reach out solely on the merit of the fact we exist helps them - while it is likely to be true, as it is now, the don't see T-I bringing any useful traits to the table.

The point of contacting the admins is a)asking for their approval b)a negotiation asking what it would take for T-I to be an acceptable venue for invites c) explaining to them that we are not their enemies - we admire their existence and want to do everything in our power to help them thrive. The larger the network we make of trackers, the more convincing we are.

So strategically, we would not want to ask every tracker initially. Instead, we would want to consider a number of low level trackers first. Start at BitGamer, IPT, TD, PtP, etc. By establishing some form of acceptance and networking there we have a few things going for us - 1) legitimacy of our network - it is more than just an idea, but something that is functioning and works 2) connections to some tracker admins will allow us to contact other admins through means beyond IRC (which would be safe for the negotiators account if negotiations go south).

I very much agree that this should be looked into. But know the way I see it, this is not something that would happen overnight - this will take a good deal of time and effort to hammer out and get right. But if any community is in a position to do it, I think it is T-I.

I'm really torn between these two options. I think first of all, this sounds great but TBH, we already have a recruitment thread and site reps here, however, they don't post recruitment threads for many reasons, 1 of which I believe is that T-I is too easy to infiltrate, which would need to be changed before we could do this.

TPS has a very similar system to that of which you guys are proposing but they have an IRC interview to gain entrance to the forums, which I believe is part of the reason they have far more recruiters there.

Secondly, because of the fact they have recruiters those trackers are not allowed to be given out as invites. Which sucks.

I would hate to see T-I go the way of TPS with a no-movement list, which would probably be necessary to bring the recruiters in here, it would all come down to how far we are willing to bend to the trackers will. Also, even trackers such as passthepopcorn have a huge set of requirements to receive an invite from the recruiter which would make it much harder for new users starting out.

I'm on the fence because TBH I think T-I is beginning to stagnate and we have two ways we could go.

Either try and tighten up our policies on entrance and requirements for low, mid and trusted essentially resulting in less new users coming here, trying to focus on good users and try to become a more tracker friendly tight knit community but in doing so sacrifice some of the good that comes with thumbing our nose at these trackers such as easy invites.

Or we can keep it the way it is, continue to pump out invites easily bringing in heaps of new users to keep the community alive. But also in doing so, bringing heaps of spammers/cheaters/traders/etc along with them.

I dunno, I will stay with T-I either way. There are things I like and things I don't, but T-I is still the best, IMO.

but danz all you are saying is about recruitment ... and my idea is different than that .. we only need there permission on GA invite for there trackers .
and I agree with T-I is easy to get into ... and as I see there's a lot of trader, cheater, and scammer here ... but T-I members are catching them all the time ... and I believe if we kept on doing the way we are doing ... we will clean our community from them .
I am not talking about imitating TPS, we can do better than that .. TPS is like tracker's recruitment forum TBH I am against the recruitment for old and well known trackers ... it's a good move for new tracker ... but it will make older and well known tracker less important and easier to get in .. in other hand, I think by only GA invite from a third party ( member of trackers, not staff ) will be better because the member will pick better new comer than the staffs because they will be afraid of losing their privilege of inviting, or in the worth cases will be banned for inviting bad user .
if we keep moving the same way we are .. T-I will not stop, and will become bigger and bigger ( this is fact ), but if tracker started searching the GA sites and banning the member .. or even if they got more restricted .. we will be doomed .
so why don't we talk the first step and go to talk to them ?? what do we have to lose ??
we can start by talking to site repped members, who are not recruitment .