Thread: Consequences for bad ratio

Hello all,



I am not sure if there is a rule here at TI, but I think there should be. I have given out a couple of invites to a couple of users here through the free invites page, and they have bad ratios on the site I invited them to. I made sure they were at 10% here at TI, and they gave me a ratio proof. So can there be a way if we prove to you, the mods/admins, that they get repercussions here because of their bad ratio so they don't get another invite? Not necessarily permanent, but maybe a month or two.

RIght on. Good points Crack0r. I will be more wary in the future on who I send invites to. Just thought I would try to give out new ideas lol. I will keep trying!

Never read one, but it sounds scary and makes people hate one another.. so yea sounds right.

Simply having a bad ratio does not warrant any type of infraction considering there are many users who only have slower residential lines to do their seeding. Although, having a bad ratio that leads to a ban from the tracker is a whole other matter. You can, and it's well within your right, to leave the user a negative iGiver. Be sure to clearly indicate what the negative iGiver is for (e.g,, banned at TL for low ratio, banned at SCC for inactivity, etc.).

I agree with Crack0r_Jack to some extent, but I don't think hiding every incriminating fact about a user is wise. If they messed up on a tracker and got banned for it, inviters needs to know. Start handing out those negative iGivers so other members don't get burned for it as well. Yes, this may seem punishing to newer members, but it's also their responsibility to understand how to manage their own accounts - you simply can't place this upon the inviter to do or foresee. A user is fully capable of knowing whether or not he's struggling at a tracker; so if you are, seek some aid from your inviter or from the help section prior to your account being banned indefinitely. Trackers normally give notice before a permanent ban for low ratio is issued so there shouldn't be any surprises, thus, no excuses.

I was going to post a similar recommendation, but since this thread is already here, as per the rules, here goes mine:

There should be a "Shit List" which is updated with the names of invitees who: (a) have a bad ratio; or (b) don't use their account.

For me it is simply inexcusable to request an invite for a tracker and then not use the tracker, or not use it correctly. So this list would be created to first of all deter such behaviour by making it public - name and shame; and secondly to warn other inviters that this individual may not be as reliable as their stats would otherwise indicate. Having your name on the list does not preclude anyone from giving you an invite. However it lets the potential inviter know that the invitee has messed up in the past, and the inviter can chose to for example request an explanation, ask for an assurance that this won't happen again, and so and so forth. If your name is on the list multiple times, then it's definitely a red flag.

I dont think this is a great idea. Ultimately it was you who invited them. You shouldnt be just looking at their ratio proofs or the fact they are 10%. You should also be looking at every single one of their posts. Or at least I would. When was the last time they were in IRC? Did they partake in any other giveaways in the past? If yes, go ask the person who invited them and see if they are doing ok. What kind of user are they? Being 10% and having 2 good ratio proofs isnt enough to determine what the user and potential invitee is like. Also, everyone has different requrirements and expectations of their invitee's. The best users aren't necessarily the first post to apply in a giveaway.

Just because I invite someone, I don't feel this gives them the right to do what they please without repercussions. My suggestion makes the fact finding process you're mentioning much easier and more transparent. It makes it possible for inviters to "warn" each other about potentially bad invitees.

Also, the invitee getting banned or not is not even an issue for me. Someone who barely makes use of the account is just as bad - they took an invite which someone more deserving might have wanted heart and soul and chose to throw it away.

Obviously, some rules would need to be established, for example that a name cannot be posted on the list before x months have elapsed, that the name will be removed if the invitee makes up for his mistakes, and so on. Overall I think this is a good idea, and that it will reduce abuse. More so due to the fact that the persons we're inviting are complete strangers, not real world acquaintances or family/friends.

Otherwise - if we're going to keep the negative igiver philosophy, rather than the list, then we should encourage every inviter to follow up on their invitees, at least once every month, and to report with a negative igiver if the account is not being used, or if there is a bad ratio.


Thank you for listening.

In my opinion, its a very bad idea. Just give me a chance to explain why.

Let me give you my own example. My download speed is 32 KBPS, 45 KBPS tops. My upload speed is usually 8 KBPS, usually a max of 13 KBPS. I'm 13 and I live in India. As you might figure out from my age, I can't afford to buy a seedbox either. Even then, uTorrent gives my stats to be:

Downloaded: 177 GB
Uploaded: 61.3 GB
Ratio: 0.345

In your opinion, that ratio sucks and deserves a ban. But give it a thought. I keep my laptop on 24x7 to seed as much as possible. Even as I'm typing this, I'm seeding 15 torrents. i would've given a screenshot of my statistics if I were not seeding a 23.1 GB Bones torrent. I intend to reach at least a .5 ratio on it, for my own self satisfaction [I'm at a .433 ratio right now] . I don't use any private trackers other than Demonoid. I use 1337x.org, ThePirateBay and Demoinoid, none of which ban for even the lowest ratio one could dream up of. Yet, I still seed as much as I can.

So now, tell me. Do you still think a low ratio is liable for a ban?

PS: Applying for an invite for a tracker which they KNOW requires a high/medium ratio is a totally different issue. If one knowingly signs up for such a tracker, especially if he/she knows that the host might get into trouble, then he out to get some kind of punishment. Not a ban though, maybe suspension of privileges.