Thread: iGiver system suggestion

though the current iGiver system is pretty good ,i feel it still requires some improvement
i see most members (including some very old and senior members) do not f ollow the rules and simply jot down Thank you instead of writing the tracker name they received invite/bonus
now with the new system in effect it becomes almost impossible to point out which invites the user have received with such things



so here are my suggestions
1 - dropdown menu of the tracker abbreviations to choose from instead of manually writing it down
2- in case of more than one iGiver for same tracker automatic alert issued to the staff - this will definitely help catching dupers which now we need to do manually by going through iGiver history
3 - global pm to edit all your previous iGivers and correct it with tracker names,(i am certain many old cheaters/dupers are still here)
4 - minimum interval of 24 hrs after receiving invite ,within which you should submit iGiver to avoid duping
5 - clearly stating the reason for dupe(friend/brother/dog,etc) in iGiver history if the user escapes the ban hammer with just an infraction

I feel this is pretty unnecessary on the whole, but for #4 specifically, how would you enforce that? Also, the rules specifically say...

Originally Posted by Trevor

Once you have successfully received and signed up to the tracker you have applied for, you MUST leave an iGiver (How to give an iGiver). We do recommend that you wait a couple of days before doing this, the aim of this is to reduce the chances of your newly acquired account being tracked – Please inform your inviter if you intend to delay the crediting of their account.

A 24 hour maximum time limit would go directly against that recommendation.

Originally Posted by don_rocks

4 - minimum interval of 24 hrs after receiving invite ,within which you should submit iGiver to avoid duping

man how could you say that... Many trackers prohibit public G\A... So with your suggestion you just make them easy to track down those who doing it...

Originally Posted by don_rocks

though the current iGiver system is pretty good ,i feel it still requires some improvement
i see most members (including some very old and senior members) do not f ollow the rules and simply jot down Thank you instead of writing the tracker name they received invite/bonus
now with the new system in effect it becomes almost impossible to point out which invites the user have received with such things

so here are my suggestions
1 - dropdown menu of the tracker abbreviations to choose from instead of manually writing it down
2- in case of more than one iGiver for same tracker automatic alert issued to the staff - this will definitely help catching dupers which now we need to do manually by going through iGiver history
3 - global pm to edit all your previous iGivers and correct it with tracker names,(i am certain many old cheaters/dupers are still here)
4 - minimum interval of 24 hrs after receiving invite ,within which you should submit iGiver to avoid duping
5 - clearly stating the reason for dupe(friend/brother/dog,etc) in iGiver history if the user escapes the ban hammer with just an infraction

1. This was suggested by myself at the time the new system came into effect. Its on the list of things to do, since it would require some coding to the form/mod from which the igiver page is generated.

2. We have a ruling that states that you can apply for a replacement invite PROVIDING you inform your inviter first. Alerting the staff to dupe igivers would result in a lot of false positives. Bear in mind it is YOUR responsibility to check the history of your invitee, and if there is a problem then it is YOUR responsibility to report the fact, that being said we do have an alert system of sorts in place (not that I am going to explain what it does - security and all that ;)).

3. That can be done, and it was announced that the igivers were to be tagged correctly. If however you find someone that is incorrectly tagging igivers then please report them to the staff so we can advise them accordingly.

4. Randomguy has answered that for you, but I will reiterate. We advise that that people leave a small delay between receiving the invite and then submitting the igiver, this is so accounts can not be tracked so easily.

5. If a person has duped on a tracker then it is dealt with on the chopping block and that is where it will stay. There is no need to further/continuously persecute someone for something that has already been dealt with, leaving notes on peoples history that is viewable by the forum populous leads to that member being alienated and excluded from further GA's. This can be said for ALL infractions/punishments.

Thanks TankGirl for answering my queries
guess its time to close this thread

An additional little suggestion:

Make iGiver bidirectional, like on eBay. There are so many threads about what to do with people who misbehave -- many of which are simply ridiculous when considering the triviality of the 'offense' -- that a positive testimony for those who honoured an invitation in an active and participative manner is well-deserved. In case a distinction between donor and receiver is desired, it should not be too difficult to handle this like trackers handle up- and downloads, with two different numbers/colours.

The system actually asks wheter one was the inviter or the invité, it's just that inviters never leave feedback. It does not have to happen right away, of course, but after six to twelve weeks, why not provide an indicator for the community when somebody has proven worthy of the invitation?

Originally Posted by QuiPeccavit

An additional little suggestion:

Make iGiver bidirectional, like on eBay. There are so many threads about what to do with people who misbehave -- many of which are simply ridiculous when considering the triviality of the 'offense' -- that a positive testimony for those who honoured an invitation in an active and participative manner is well-deserved. In case a distinction between donor and receiver is desired, it should not be too difficult to handle this like trackers handle up- and downloads, with two different numbers/colours.

The system actually asks wheter one was the inviter or the invité, it's just that inviters never leave feedback. It does not have to happen right away, of course, but after six to twelve weeks, why not provide an indicator for the community when somebody has proven worthy of the invitation?

It is bidirection as you said. So do you want to set a mandate or a strong recommendation for inviters to leave feedback? Not really sure how your suggestion would be implemented although I understand your sentiment.

The functionality is already there,

But inviters do not seem to use it. It's not a matter of life or death and does not need any enforcement. I merely thought that, if enough members think this might be a good idea, and if the powers that be agree, adding a respective paragraph to the iGiver tutorials floating around could not hurt, plus maybe an announcement "Folks, why not use the iGiver feature to praise those invités who honoured your invitation as intended"? Even without a strict enforcement or punishment, people might pick up the habit.

Again, it was just a thought and as I will gladly admit, not one that would justify the programmers to loses sleep over. Speaking of sleep: hush, hush to bed everybody, Santa needs a chance to stuff your stockings, doesn't he? May you all celebrate a harmonious fest of love in the company of persons that you truly care about.

There is actually a paragraph in the main FAQ thread within the Announcements section.

iGiver

1. What is it? When should I give it?

iGiver is similar to ebay feedback and is mandatory that you leave it for your inviter upon receiving an invite or bonuses. You may also leave an iGiver for someone to whom you have given an invite if you feel they have been either an exceptional invitee or terrible one (for instance, if they caused you to lose your account or invite privileges by keeping a poor ratio). The higher a person's iGiver is, the higher the number of invites they have handed out.

Sourced from Torrent-Invites FAQ

What it really comes down to is members don't actually read. Although, adding it to the iGiver tutorial may help a little, but I doubt by all that much.