Thread: Don't count posts in the Request section

The arguments that you make are sound - but another thing to think about along with the current user req's for ranks etc is the fact we have a 24hr bump rule as well - which realistically means you can only get 30/31 posts out of one thread per month. Since the amount of concurrent requests open per rank is limited I really don't see this as a major issue.

There are many things that people consider before filling requests, post count is just one small part of that picture. However I will present your suggestion to the rest of the staff and I will get back to you on our decision.

i assume that the main thing which is bothering you is people who "bump" can get access to the "high level invite forum" or can be considered as having made more contribution to TI than those who have fewer but longer and useful posts in the Help/Bittorrent forum
if this is true, i think you really dont need to worry about it

firstly, people getting invites are not for they can see and post in that GA thread, but for they deserve the invite (except for cheaters or traders)
i believe no one will give their invites just according to the applicants' posts
actually for a high level tracker's GA, the amount of posts means nothing, for me, rep/donate/proof/register time/igiver will come first
and there is a Post Areas in everyone's profile showing the percentage of your posts' area
it's easy to see what he is doing here
besides this, i think there is really less differences in 10% and 55% now, people even get invites easier in 10%

secondly, people wont judge your contribution to TI according to the amount of posts you have made
if you help a lot people in help section, your rep will go up quickly and you will be famous than those bumper (like me :))
you can see copper
he made good point of that
he has helped so many people including me
everybody can see his great work and i believe he will become purple this month

actually you have done a great job in Help/Bittorrent area i believe you can be the next Copper soon

ForestAngel - you can't access the higher level invite forum on post count alone now. Each rank now req's a set amount of rep and time on the forum. The user rank system has been updated as per this post: New User Rank Requirements

You got me wrong on this one, ForestAngel.
The only advantage that I would have from this change, personally is that I would be able to bump my request a lot more often without feeling 'guilty' of having wasted a good post.
The ones that have a lot of requests open and bump those requests a lot are with a very high certainty not the ones that get it filled, because most of them just post in the request forum.
When you think about handing someone out an invite you obviously investigate this person further, but when you just read the forum and stumble upon a post of a certain member users with a very high post count just look more experienced and trustworthy.
The people I was mostly referring to that have most of the time two, or for VIPs even more requests open and getting 2-6 or even more posts / day just by writing 'BUMP' is just too easy.

Why are the posts in the 'spam sections' not counted, but in the request section they are?
95% of the posts there contain even less information.


I hope this makes all some sort of sense.

I can see what Magister is suggesting, it is more a janitoring than activity measurement (aka. posts with info should count, posts without it shouldn't).
I don't see any problems with the post counting at the section, as there is little abuse in that part, but i don't see why not making it hapen. What bothers me most would be people giving thanks to requests and sometimes even for bumps. I don't see any logic on that and i think this is more abusive than giving a post for writting "bump".

I don't think that removing the post count at that section will decrease the activity. I mean, if people are making requests only for the posts, then they shouldn't be made at all. This has low priority, though.


On a side note, i'm the only one who thinks post count matters, even if they aren't the main parameter?

but when you just read the forum and stumble upon a post of a certain member users with a very high post count just look more experienced and trustworthy.

actually i dont have these feeling
posts or some certain level means nearly nothing to me
i have met great and super people here who dont post a lot or nearly have no activity here for their personal issues
but they are good guys, trustful, know more things and have been in private tracker world for a really long time
on the other hand i have even seen people here with lots of rep getting banned for trading or something worse (not to mention their post count)
what i want to say is you really should not trust anyone according to their post account, sometimes even for their reps (most difficult thing to get on TI)
if you want to trust a people more, full and comprehensive investigation will be needed

Originally Posted by Fractal

On a side note, i'm the only one who thinks post count matters, even if they aren't the main parameter?

I think post count matters as well when it comes to whom I decide to invite to certain trackers. As far as the request section or any other section, I don't think it matters where a user gets there post count from in general. Unless you are like me and you take note of it when deciding whom to invite to certain places. But even so it's on those guys and not us, if we choose not to invite them because of their post count then so be it. They will find the invite through another user most probably.

So for those who do rack up the post count via numerous "bumps" they most likely will never get my attention when it comes to those certain trackers lol.

This is an ok idea. While as mentioned before post count cant rack up to quickly, only 30-31 a month, unless they have 2-3 request threads going then it will double or triple.(not sure if people actually do that though). While the body of the post should have some sort of meaning to it, bumping once a day is relatively harmless. Generally requests have a well thought out initial post trying to entice the giver to pick them. So i dont really see the harm in letting post count rack up from bumps in their thread. Sometimes the post is blended with the bump before if it is bumped to closely to the 24 hr mark, so they dont get a count for it anyway.

Now maybe limiting how much rep can be given in the request thread might be a good idea. Limiting it to rep'ing the giver once so people couldnt abuse rep that should be earned( again not sure if this really happens either lol).

Or maybe setting guidelines for the request thread that people would have to follow or else their request would be deleted. Maybe something along the lines of the introduction form but not so much as Q&A but a whole hearted request and if it not reasonable then it would be rejected. Something such as a minimum percentage like 33% wouldnt be a bad idea either which would help show that they have earned the right to start to try and request a tracker (see F*N noob video for an example why "I want FTN" noobs [FUNNY] ).

Just my thoughts on it. :P

Perhaps some people have missed some of the other points made in this thread so I will reiterate some of them:

• You need to be 33% BEFORE you can make a request at that point you are permitted to have the MAXIMUM of 2 open at the same time (VIP's have different privs).
• To reach 33% you need to have 50 posts + 25 reputation points + 30 days on site.
• You can only bump your post every 24hrs (anything before is merged with the last post so doesn't count).
• You can NOT post in any request thread unless you intent to fill the request.
• You can only acquire the max of 60/61 posts each month through the bumping of requests (you still need rep to advance).
• People rarely rep a request, they rep the person filling the request.
• The rep you give is adjustable, you can give from 1 point all the way up to YOUR max rep power.
• Likes do NOT count to rep (they don't give points).
• You can NOT access the higher level GA's without meeting the rank req's.

As I have stated before, I understand the concerns with regards to post count and people using them as a benchmark for giving/requesting invites. The new ranking requirements have been set to include reputation and time on site, you can have 1000 posts, been here 2 yrs and still be 10% if you have not made any worthwhile posts on the forum and therefore not earnt the respect/trust of your fellow members - likewise you can have 50 posts, 3 iGivers, 200 rep and be the most respected person there is around, it all boils down to the statement below.

Blanket Statement:
There are many threads regarding the giving/requesting of invites and the concerns attached to such activities. The same answer is given EVERY time - They are YOUR invites, you give them to whom you please, YOU are responsible for the people you invite, YOU are responsible for checking them out, it is YOUR invite tree, YOUR account at risk if you don't.

As I said this is being discussed by the staff and as soon as we have reached a consensus you will be informed :)