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    Default wiki based tracker reviews

    Multiple reiterations of tracker review threads in an attempt to stay current, reviews with broken images, the tedious task of maintaining a review index post. Seems to me like all these problems could be solved by having a wiki for tracker reviews.

    If something gets outdated, or an image breaks, all it takes is a few clicks to get it fixed instead of having to start from scratch or wait for someone else to pick up the work. I don't see any downsides as long as it's handled properly.

    1) Limit editing privileges to a handful of people. By doing so you would eliminate the threat or wiki vandalizing, inaccurate information, and errors.

    2) Make a position of wiki "curator". Much like intro moderator position, this would take workload off the staff, and put it in the hands of people deemed trustworthy and capable of the task.



    3) Continue to allow posting of tracker reviews by all users. The reviews that met proper standards would then be transcribed to the wiki by those with editing privileges.

    4) Have a thread where everyone can report problems found on the wiki. Would be the responibility of wiki mods to keep up with and correct reported issues.

    5) Another important function of reviews is it provides a place for people to discuss the tracker and for other people give their own thoughts on it. This also brings up another problem with the current review system, since when an old review thread gets scrapped, so does all the input from other users that went with it. To solve this we could continue to have tracker specific threads, but instead of containing the review in the first post, it would merely have a link to the wiki review (and other relevant information when necessary). This way the thread would never become outdated and in need of replacement, allowing for a continuous discussion of the tracker.
    Last edited by teh_pwn; September 10th, 2011 at 02:33 AM. Reason: Added in #4
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    Default Re: wiki based tracker reviews

    I think this is a great idea. I find it a pain to track down tracker reviews. Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't been able to figure out how to search JUST the tracker review section. This means my search includes every reference of the tracker name and I end up browsing through thousands of results for many trackers.

    We need an index of some sort, and I think a curated wiki page would be simply awesome.

    I'm not sure if we need the page to be locked down to only admins, as I think that restricting modifications to 10% + users would suffice, if all changes are tracked to specific users. Then it would become a chopping block type issue, where one would be punished for defacing the site. If the wiki system is used bad edits could be easily reversed.

    I'm really digging this idea, and I hope it is implemented. I might be missing behind-the-scene issues though.

    Thanks teh_pwn for the suggestion!

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    Default Re: wiki based tracker reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by oscarnater View Post
    I think this is a great idea. I find it a pain to track down tracker reviews. Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't been able to figure out how to search JUST the tracker review section. This means my search includes every reference of the tracker name and I end up browsing through thousands of results for many trackers.

    We need an index of some sort, and I think a curated wiki page would be simply awesome.

    I'm not sure if we need the page to be locked down to only admins, as I think that restricting modifications to 10% + users would suffice, if all changes are tracked to specific users. Then it would become a chopping block type issue, where one would be punished for defacing the site. If the wiki system is used bad edits could be easily reversed.

    I'm really digging this idea, and I hope it is implemented. I might be missing behind-the-scene issues though.

    Thanks teh_pwn for the suggestion!
    Well, there actually is a review index that tm775 keeps updated,
    http://www.torrent-invites.com/track...enre-year.html

    But that still leaves the problem of broken links, outdated reviews, multiple reviews.

    Also, a wiki would make the job of indexing much easier, you could create a sortable table, so when a new tracker gets reviewed you just have to add one new line, instead of having to edit four separate posts in the index thread. Not to mention.. sortable tables are awesome! You could click the headers to sort the review index by name, category, year, whatever you want!
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    Default Re: wiki based tracker reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by teh_pwn View Post
    Multiple reiterations of tracker review threads in an attempt to stay current, reviews with broken images, the tedious task of maintaining a review index post. Seems to me like all these problems could be solved by having a wiki for tracker reviews.

    If something gets outdated, or an image breaks, all it takes is a few clicks to get it fixed instead of having to start from scratch or wait for someone else to pick up the work. I don't see any downsides as long as it's handled properly.

    1) Limit editing privileges to a handful of people. By doing so you would eliminate the threat or wiki vandalizing, inaccurate information, and errors.

    2) Make a position of wiki "curator". Much like intro moderator position, this would take workload off the staff, and put it in the hands of people deemed trustworthy and capable of the task.

    3) Continue to allow posting of tracker reviews by all users. The reviews that met proper standards would then be transcribed to the wiki by those with editing privileges.

    4) Have a thread where everyone can report problems found on the wiki. Would be the responibility of wiki mods to keep up with and correct reported issues.

    5) Another important function of reviews is it provides a place for people to discuss the tracker and for other people give their own thoughts on it. This also brings up another problem with the current review system, since when an old review thread gets scrapped, so does all the input from other users that went with it. To solve this we could continue to have tracker specific threads, but instead of containing the review in the first post, it would merely have a link to the wiki review (and other relevant information when necessary). This way the thread would never become outdated and in need of replacement, allowing for a continuous discussion of the tracker.
    I don't really see much difference compared to the current version. Your suggestion is basically just a more fancy version of the currently implemented one.

    to 1) The priviliges of editing tracker reviews have already a couple of people: the OP, the sections mods as well with the staff of high ranking. I don't see anything different, please correct me if I'm wrong.

    to 2) Section mods have already the ability to edit/delete posts ...
    It may be a good idea to allow users of the userrankings 55%/75%/99%/100%/ViP or Exalted to edit OPs in reviews (to update pictures ...) This is, in my opinion, a good idea as a lot of tracker reviews have broken images and it's just too much to ask from section mods.

    to 4) If you think something is spam or otherwise inappropriate you can use the 'report post' function.
    It may be good to allow broken images and stuff like that to be reported.

    to 5) I hate if people just post things like 'OMG this is my dream tracker; I love this tracker so much; Yea, it's really hard to seed; ...'
    And I think things like that should be forbidden and not be encouraged.

    I think it requires a lot of work, just for a little bit of design changes. I don't really seem to get the point of your suggestion, I'm apologizing if I'm thinking in a totally different direction.
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    Default Re: wiki based tracker reviews

    Quote Originally Posted by oscarnater View Post
    Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't been able to figure out how to search JUST the tracker review section. This means my search includes every reference of the tracker name and I end up browsing through thousands of results for many trackers.
    First click on the Tracker Reviews subforum link, then click on SEARCH FORUM in the upper right hand corner, viola.

    Last edited by outdoors30; September 10th, 2011 at 06:07 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magister View Post
    I don't really see much difference compared to the current version. Your suggestion is basically just a more fancy version of the currently implemented one.

    to 1) The priviliges of editing tracker reviews have already a couple of people: the OP, the sections mods as well with the staff of high ranking. I don't see anything different, please correct me if I'm wrong.

    to 2) Section mods have already the ability to edit/delete posts ...
    It may be a good idea to allow users of the userrankings 55%/75%/99%/100%/ViP or Exalted to edit OPs in reviews (to update pictures ...) This is, in my opinion, a good idea as a lot of tracker reviews have broken images and it's just too much to ask from section mods.
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    to 4) If you think something is spam or otherwise inappropriate you can use the 'report post' function.
    It may be good to allow broken images and stuff like that to be reported.

    to 5) I hate if people just post things like 'OMG this is my dream tracker; I love this tracker so much; Yea, it's really hard to seed; ...'
    And I think things like that should be forbidden and not be encouraged.

    I think it requires a lot of work, just for a little bit of design changes. I don't really seem to get the point of your suggestion, I'm apologizing if I'm thinking in a totally different direction.
    Well I just got done going through the tracker reviews and a sizeable portion of them were just a column of image host error messages. So obviously there is room for improvement on how things are currently operating, and I was trying to suggest a way to do just that. Take a look at the forum index and you'll find a majority of the viewers are in the review section, so That should show how important it is.

    Yes there are section mods for the help subforum, but the review section by itself is one of the most massive parts of the forum, and in addition to that, the help forum includes several other forums almost as large. People have the ability to edit posts, but seeing the large # of borked reviews it seems they choose not to, and even if they did, what are they going to do about, do they have backups of those images on their Hd? Are they a member of every single tracker and can just go take their own to replace it? No of couse not, so that review isnt going to be fixed until someone comes along to make a new review, replacing the old one.

    Setting up a wiki is easy to someone with the know-how, you arent coding something from scratch, someone else has already done that, you are just installing it on your server and customizing it to meet your needs. With a wiki and people dedicated to reviews, they would be uniform, open to user suggestion for improvement, and images wouldn't be broken. So exactly how is this not an improvement.

    Even if you weren't going to do a wiki, I'd say at least having a system where users can report broken reviews or suggest improvements on existing ones, and mods dedicated to reviews who would be willing to edit in said changes, would be a huge improvement. They could also do changes of their own such as making sure images are on a dependable host, like rehost them on imageshack and edit the review to point to those images.

    *edit*
    Regarding the last paragraph, I see there is already a system in place for replacing broken images, just severely underused. I see there is a thread where broken images can be reported, and then a seperate thread where users can post replacements. Maybe it would help if the trackers needing new images were more clearly presented. The chances of someone in a tracker needing new images visiting the review for their own tracker and noticing the images are broke, or noticing a post on page 10 of the report thread saying they are broke, are probably lower than if there was a sticked bounty list of trackers neding new screens compiled from the user posts in the report thread.

    But then again the it wouldnt be an issue if the images werent lost to begin with. Which will become a non issue as more reviews use the TI image host (something I just learned about heh)
    Last edited by teh_pwn; September 10th, 2011 at 09:41 PM.

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