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  1. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enon View Post
    Hello,



    Please read here: http://www.leaseweb.com/en/support/all-about/hosting-network

    They give the detailed difference between Volume and Premium Bandwidth.


    Regards,
    Enon
    Thanks for the link.
    Have I understood things correctly if I say like this: Premium bandwith might be needed if you're located far away from your server location with a remote provider. For normal seedbox-seedbox use or downloading from your server if you're located within Europe, it should normally work just fine with volume network?
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  3. #32

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoRiz View Post
    Thanks for the link.
    Have I understood things correctly if I say like this: Premium bandwith might be needed if you're located far away from your server location with a remote provider. For normal seedbox-seedbox use or downloading from your server if you're located within Europe, it should normally work just fine with volume network?
    Yes thats the most accurate you can get.
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  4. #33

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoRiz View Post
    Thanks for the link.
    Have I understood things correctly if I say like this: Premium bandwith might be needed if you're located far away from your server location with a remote provider. For normal seedbox-seedbox use or downloading from your server if you're located within Europe, it should normally work just fine with volume network?
    NO! It just is not that simple.

    Right now there is a peering battle going between Cogent and Verizon, Verizon is running hot (over capacity) exchanges that handle Cogent's traffic to Verizon customers. Traffic is significantly slower during heavy load periods (prime time). Cogent is a discount backbone that carries non-CDN Netflix traffic, and Verizon feels it should pay to balance out the fact that it is not an equal exchange.

    Leaseweb is one of Cogent's largest customers. As is OVH.

    So no, it is not at all simple. People telling you it is straight forward and simple, don't know what they are talking about.

    For example in the description of volume network, there is the statement:

    LeaseWeb supports port aggregation to ensure the most efficient usage of customers’ hardware thus providing additional savings and financial advantages.
    This means they oversell, that the 1G connection you have is combined (aggregated) with other 1G connections so that it is more "efficient" (carries more traffic). This means the 1G that is connected your dedicated server is not a dedicated 1G connection, it isn't 1G all the way out of the building.

    Additionally, ancillary carriers have a smaller presence at exchange points, think of it like this, Tier 1 non-discount carriers are like freeways, and smaller (tier 2 or 3 carriers) are like highways, they are far more likely to get congested, and have smaller on and off ramps.

    There is a reason it is called Premium bandwidth, it isn't because Leaseweb is looking to gouge customers that just aren't bright enough to see that volume bandwidth is just as good.

    I suggest you take a look at these articles:

    http://www.torrent-invites.com/seedb...ml#post1599596

    http://www.torrent-invites.com/seedb...out-speed.html

    Last edited by Chmuranet; August 15th, 2013 at 07:05 AM.
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  5. #34

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    @Weaselbuddha, you are writing alot about things you don't have a clue about. Order a server from them and then check it. I'm 100% sure that this "volume" network is better than the one which you have with your VPSs.
    btw. it's not a topic about leaseweb,peering etc. so please stop making off topics in all threads.
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  6. #35

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weaselbuddha View Post
    Weaselbuddha's text, a bit to long to fully quote.
    Ok, but for those of us that lives in western Europe with seedboxes at OVH or Leaseweb, is it really essential with the Premium bandwith? I only have 20mbit down to my home, and I always have it running at full speed when transferring from OVH or Leaseweb, so does most of my friends with 100mbit connections. So it doesn't feel like we are affected to much by this volume/premium difference. I have had issues when I had two temporary servers at Online.net and the speed was terrible, fluctuating and maybe averaging 10mbit.
    But the absolute majority of seedboxes must be located in Europe, especially with OVH and Leaseweb. The peering between those two major actors must be fairly ok or am I missing something?

    What surprised me the most was what you wrote about that the gbit connection to the server isn't gbit all the way. I have had that assumption that if you bought a gbit service straight from LW or OVH that it should be able to deliver that at all times. I would definitly feel cheated if I bought a server with a spec of 1gbit dedicated and then find out that it's not.

    BTW, have read those threads before, but they are really informative so thanks anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoRiz View Post
    Ok, but for those of us that lives in western Europe with seedboxes at OVH or Leaseweb, is it really essential with the Premium bandwith? I only have 20mbit down to my home, and I always have it running at full speed when transferring from OVH or Leaseweb, so does most of my friends with 100mbit connections. So it doesn't feel like we are affected to much by this volume/premium difference. I have had issues when I had two temporary servers at Online.net and the speed was terrible, fluctuating and maybe averaging 10mbit.
    But the absolute majority of seedboxes must be located in Europe, especially with OVH and Leaseweb. The peering between those two major actors must be fairly ok or am I missing something?

    What surprised me the most was what you wrote about that the gbit connection to the server isn't gbit all the way. I have had that assumption that if you bought a gbit service straight from LW or OVH that it should be able to deliver that at all times. I would definitly feel cheated if I bought a server with a spec of 1gbit dedicated and then find out that it's not.

    BTW, have read those threads before, but they are really informative so thanks anyway.
    Weaselbuddha wrote crap and he wants everybody to believe that his Gbps is Gbps and all the other Gbps are not Gbps
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  8. #37

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    weaselbuddha, believe it or not those 1Gbps are real that Leaseweb advertise. If they would have been cheating like that then they wouldn't be at this place as they are on right now. Leaseweb is considered to be one of the BEST hosting provider in Europe. and I do think that I already prove from my last couple of post that Leaseweb provide real 1Gbps Speeds and same with 10Gbps too. :)



    Regards,
    Enon



    There will be haters, There will be doubters, There will be Non-Believers, And Then there will be you, Proving them WRONG.
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  9. #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeedHost_eu View Post
    @Weaselbuddha, you are writing alot about things you don't have a clue about. Order a server from them and then check it. I'm 100% sure that this "volume" network is better than the one which you have with your VPSs.
    btw. it's not a topic about leaseweb,peering etc. so please stop making off topics in all threads.

    An excellent riposte there @SeedHost_eu, hope it didn't take you a whole lot of time to come up with it.

    I didn't bring up Leaseweb, but their Volume network of discount bandwidth is an excellent example of exactly what I was talking about in my analysis post, the selling of bandwidth below market prices and how it really isn't such a deal. How bandwidth is marketed, how 10G, that isn't really10G, is sold. The truism, you get what you pay for, just isn't all that true when it comes to bandwidth?

    But since you appear to be putting yourself forward as an expert in bandwidth, in particular Leaseweb's bandwidth, maybe you'd like to explain the advantages and disadvantages of buying the volume versus premium bandwidth. In particular explain the sentence, "LeaseWeb supports port aggregation to ensure the most efficient usage of customers’ hardware thus providing additional savings and financial advantages." from their description of their differing networks. What makes the volume network in most cases half the price of their premium network, and generally below market price? I'm sure you to shine some light on that as an apparent expert.



    Last edited by Chmuranet; August 15th, 2013 at 07:00 PM.
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  10. #39

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeedHost_eu View Post
    And oh, 10Gbps it's not 10x more expensive! Only the quipment is more expensive.
    I have no dog in this fight. But this statement is not true and is misleading. The cost to a reseller is based on the total bandwidth they buy (and whatever SLA, bursting above cap, etc, etc) and that is divided up between users. So if (for example) you have a 50G uplink you are paying for that, not for 1G or 10G.

    You're sharing your total bandwidth between your customers and if you have your network setup properly you can institute QoS on the router, switch and device level to make sure that your customers who are purchasing higher limits are getting their fair share while maintaining bandwidth for lower cost customers. This also allows burst modes when available and those too can be capped according to the level of the customer.

    None of that has anything to due with whether or not 1G or 10G is more expensive since you should not be purchasing bandwidth in any way but as total capacity to get the maximum discount as a vendor.

    So the only part of your statement that could be considered true is that you may set customer price levels for each (1G and 10G) in a way that gives a discount for purchasing more bandwidth from you. So if you're talking about the prices you charge your customers that's ok. But if you don't have your network setup correctly all your users are going to complain about what they are getting. This is all basic CCIE and data center guru stuff.

    So you as a vendor should be charging for what your system architecture supports, not for some ethereal artificial marketing hype. That's what the big boys do.
    Last edited by jerrysmith; August 15th, 2013 at 07:22 PM.
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  11. #40

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    Quote Originally Posted by lollypop1 View Post
    Apparently the following offer 10gbps shared:

    Seedboxes.cc , seedhost.eu , feral , aireservers and underleech.org , secureboxes.net

    any other 10 gbps shared providers? Or very good 1gbps
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