Thread: seedstuff.ca or whatbox.ca???

I've heard good things about both seedboxes so I am thinking about which to choose.

Speedwise, would you go for the:
a) dedicated seedstuff.ca 100Mbps down/100Mbps up line or the
b) shared whatbox.ca 1Gbps down/300Mbps up line?



On a different note, I have been using RSS feeds lately, but I want to take the next step and use autodl-irssi. I've asked at whatbox.ca and they told me it's quite a manual process using command lines and shit like that, which when I read the document of how to do it I was totally lost. Is there an automatic plugin on seedstuff.ca for autodl-irssi which makes things a lot easier?

Seedstuff.ca setup time up to 7 days??

It exists the autodl-irssi plugin for rutorrent, which has a nice GUI, because without it you have to modify the autodl.cfg filter, which can be kind of complicated if you do it for the first time.
Here is the link to this plugin: PluginAutodlirssi - rutorrent - Yet another web front-end for rTorrent - Google Project Hosting
They have also included a nice illustration with pictures, which you can take as a preview, but be warned that the IRC filters don't use regex.
On their homepage, Seedstuff.ca, it says that they have installed all available plugins, but if autodl-irssi is not included I'm pretty sure that Seedstuff (the person with this username on here and owner) will install it for you in only a few minutes, if not the community will definitely assist you, because it's not very difficult and you have root access on this plan.
The advantage of the seedstuff.ca box is obvious: you are not sharing the resources with anybody and you also have root access, which means that you can install what ever you want. (if it's legal, obviously)

I don't know where you have read that Whatbox.ca has a 1Gbit downlink, because I can't find it on their website.

If you use a lot of Chinese trackers I would go for the Whatbox.ca, because Seedstuffs seedbox is hosted by OVH and their peering to China isn't optimal.
On the other hand I think you will get better speeds on the Seedstuff.ca box, because I think you share the 300Mbps of the Whatbox with quite a few people.

Seedstuff.ca setuptime is that long, because they order a server from their provider (OVH) when they receive your payment and it can take up to one week for the datacenter to set up your server, on the other hand Whatbox has already a server with a lot of other people on it and they just have to be prepare a slot for you.
The 7 days setup time from the datacenter is just a rough estimate and I have also seen them getting them ready in less than a day.

I hope that helps your decision making progress.

Thanks for your reply Magister. Please see my comments embedded below.

Originally Posted by Magister

On their homepage, Seedstuff.ca, it says that they have installed all available plugins, but if autodl-irssi is not included I'm pretty sure that Seedstuff (the person with this username on here and owner) will install it for you in only a few minutes.

That's good to know... I don't want to have to deal with all these complicated commands at the root...

Originally Posted by Magister

The advantage of the seedstuff.ca box is obvious: you are not sharing the resources with anybody and you also have root access, which means that you can install what ever you want. (if it's legal, obviously)

Well I only want to seed and improve my ratio of various trackers.. Does the root access (installing whatever programs I want) really benefit me towards that? I mean, do I really need it?

Originally Posted by Magister

I don't know where you have read that Whatbox.ca has a 1Gbit downlink, because I can't find it on their website.

They told me that on their IRC. Could someone confirm it, since I may have understood wrong..

Originally Posted by Magister

If you use a lot of Chinese trackers I would go for the Whatbox.ca, because Seedstuffs seedbox is hosted by OVH and their peering to China isn't optimal.

Chinese trackers? I am not aware of any. Could you advice which of the more common ones are Chinese?
By the way, I've heard bad things about OVH regarding US peers too.. So maybe I should stay away from OVH altogether...

Originally Posted by Magister

On the other hand I think you will get better speeds on the Seedstuff.ca box, because I think you share the 300Mbps of the Whatbox with quite a few people.

Reading the whatbox.ca reviews on torrent-invites I see that usually on their seedboxes you get speeds between 10-20 MB/s on their shared 300Mbps plan, while the maximum on the 100Mbps dedicated would be about 11 MB/s, right? Of course, as you say, "shared" depends on how many users are sharing it, but from what I read whatbox.ca don't overload their servers too much...

Originally Posted by torrentmak

Well I only want to seed and improve my ratio of various trackers.. Does the root access (installing whatever programs I want) really benefit me towards that? I mean, do I really need it?

Whatbox has already installed multiple bittorrent clients for you, but on the other hand they don't offer a GUI for autodl-irssi (as you have mentioned above). If you only want to boost the stats of some of your tracker accounts it's probably not necessary, but with the server from Seedstuff.ca you could do anything, for example hosting a website or an IRC server.

Chinese trackers? I am not aware of any. Could you advice which of the more common ones are Chinese?
By the way, I've heard bad things about OVH regarding US peers too.. So maybe I should stay away from OVH altogether...

What I meant wth that if you are usually connected to a lot of peers from Asia (Korea may be an exeption) and that's, apparently, more common on Chinese trackers. The most popular ones are CHD, HDChina, HDRoad, TTG, which are all trackers that are excellent for HD content.
It was definitely the case that OVH's US peering was really bad, but it has improved significantly, but I have never tested the US peering from an OVH server myself (except for looking at the peers from a torrent).

Reading the whatbox.ca reviews on torrent-invites I see that usually on their seedboxes you get speeds between 10-20 MB/s on their shared 300Mbps plan, while the maximum on the 100Mbps dedicated would be about 11 MB/s, right? Of course, as you say, "shared" depends on how many users are sharing it, but from what I read whatbox.ca don't overload their servers too much...

I can say nothing about the performance of the Whatbox plan because I have never used it, but I know how well the server that Seedstuff.ca uses performes. (I didn't get it from Seedstuff.ca though, but the identical server) The speed is good and goes to about 11.5MB/s if everything is perfect, but the performances of the server is really bad when you have multiple torrents running. You get a lot of storage for quite a cheap price. I use such a server myslef, but not for buffering accounts of uploading torrents. I use it mainly for safety reasons and contentwise I only use it for stuff I actually plan on downloading to my computer. Depending on the other peers, you can expect to get always a ratio of 1-4 if you use autodl, but nothing fancy.

Hi ,

though you have decided to go with either of the providers let me give you another alternative : seedmonster.net
you can check our reviews here : Seedmonster.net

also we do provide autodl-irrsi installed with the ruotorrent interface so you don't have to setup anything.

Thank you

let me know if you have any queries via PM.

I'm currently using whatbox 300mbps plan and can confirm the downlink is 1Gbit. Have downloads at 50MB/s+ pretty reguarly and a few times 100MB/s+. As far as upload speeds, I've never had a problem hitting 30MB/s+ on popular torrents, from SCC archive section for example or when I've uploaded torrents.

Obviously my experience might differ from others and theres no guarentee you would get the same as the other users on my server seem to be light users, I've rarely seen the CPU usage climb above 50% and is usually in the 10-30% range.

Another thing I should mention is I noticed a pretty big improvement when I switched from the default ruTorrent WebUI to Deluge + thin client on whatbox, especially in regards to download speeds.

Originally Posted by chris_w_

Another thing I should mention is I noticed a pretty big improvement when I switched from the default ruTorrent WebUI to Deluge + thin client on whatbox, especially in regards to download speeds.

Deluge is known the achieve the best uploadspeeds, because it has a much more agressive algorithm, but on the other side it uses a lot more CPU resources and it is really bad if you plan on having a lot of torrents active.
For long term seeding I definitely favor rtorrent, but if you want to buffer your account as much as possible, with only one or two torrents active, I would definitely choose Deluge.

You can also combine the autodl-irssi plugin from rutorrent with Deluge. You just need to selct a certain watch folder in the preferences and as well Deluge to autoadd torrents from the same location.

Originally Posted by chris_w_

Another thing I should mention is I noticed a pretty big improvement when I switched from the default ruTorrent WebUI to Deluge + thin client on whatbox, especially in regards to download speeds.

By the way what do you mean Deluge + thin client? Isn't Deluge the actual client?

Originally Posted by torrentmak

I am wondering, is there any reason why the client would make a difference (and in this case so much difference) in regards to speeds etc?? Or was it just a coincidence?

By the way what do you mean Deluge + thin client? Isn't Deluge the actual client?

When it comes to speeds like that you can find a really big difference, especially concerning the usage of the resources.
(different code - algorithms and distribution of resources)

The Deluge daemon (the one that does the actual work) sits on the server and Deluge offers the possibilty to access it via a WebGUI and a so called client.
A client is installed on your home computer, but it is used to remotely control the daemon on your server, therefore the name thin.