Thread: Global Warming

I wish I had my research paper with me but it's on another computer far away. Anyway this I my conclusion.

The earth is warming however it is not at the alarming rate the graphs you see on tv portray. I'm too lazy to look up the exact numbers but it has been posted earlier. Not sure the credibility on a lot of these posts.

The vast majority of CO2 emitted into the atmosphere is from natural sources. >95% is natural (again too lazy to cite but look it up it's legit)

The #1 green house gas is water vapor aka clouds over 60% of greenhouse gas is water vapor

Carbon dioxide makes up a very very very very very very tiny portion of our atmosphere.
example 480ppm thats 480/1,000,000 = .04% so a change from 200ppm to 480ppm is really a .028% increase in CO2 levels in terms of total atmospheric composition

CO2 levels have been much higher than they are now in the past

The earth's ecosystem is so incredibly complex that modern science hasn't even covered the tip of the iceberg in terms of understanding it all.

My conclusion.



It is impossible for anyone to be sure what is causing the earth to warm slightly and how severe it will be. the earth is just too complex. However from the research I have done it seems very unlikely that man could be causing all of this warming. Granted man is not helping this cycle by any means. But the extent that they are harming it is very little indeed. From what I have researched. Now man does a lot of harmful things to the environment and I think that it would be in our best interest to focus less on climate change and more on some of the more direct and irrefutably scientifically proven.

another note to all posting links to various news articles "proving" their claim. An article by no means proves your claim. You give me an article arguing for man made climate change and I could pull up a hundred more very credible scientifically backed ones refuting that. And the same goes the other way around. There are simply too many articles on both sides of the story. It also doesn't help that almost 100% of research is biased by funding. you have the big oil and energy companies hiring scientists for their claims. And also the big environmental organizations hiring scientist to support their claims. The scientists need to receive blind funding to properly conduct research. Otherwise you will always get skewed and opposite evidence supporting both sides.

That's my 2 cents. Is it possible man is setting in motion a cataclysmic cycle? Yes. Is it likely? From my research i have found it to be very unlikely. And believe me I researched both sides. I wrote a report on this going into it writing a report to prove climate change was man caused. And after a lot of research I really changed my mind.

Originally Posted by K.ste2

So your saying fuck my kids, grand kids, and so on...?

Its not just about earth.

Oh yea, I know this topic is just about global warming but I think this is a very good documentary about our planet earth. Its a non-profit film created to educate.

http://www.youtube.com/user/homeproject

Yeah, i meant to say that.

"Its not just about earth."

Explain.

I believe the thoughts and ideas time is over and this is now a serious threat to mankind and we all should take steps in our daily life to help secure future of earth.

Originally Posted by WestingFenn

I wish I had my research paper with me but it's on another computer far away. Anyway this I my conclusion.

The earth is warming however it is not at the alarming rate the graphs you see on tv portray. I'm too lazy to look up the exact numbers but it has been posted earlier. Not sure the credibility on a lot of these posts.

The vast majority of CO2 emitted into the atmosphere is from natural sources. >95% is natural (again too lazy to cite but look it up it's legit)

The #1 green house gas is water vapor aka clouds over 60% of greenhouse gas is water vapor

Carbon dioxide makes up a very very very very very very tiny portion of our atmosphere.
example 480ppm thats 480/1,000,000 = .04% so a change from 200ppm to 480ppm is really a .028% increase in CO2 levels in terms of total atmospheric composition

CO2 levels have been much higher than they are now in the past

The earth's ecosystem is so incredibly complex that modern science hasn't even covered the tip of the iceberg in terms of understanding it all.

My conclusion.

It is impossible for anyone to be sure what is causing the earth to warm slightly and how severe it will be. the earth is just too complex. However from the research I have done it seems very unlikely that man could be causing all of this warming. Granted man is not helping this cycle by any means. But the extent that they are harming it is very little indeed. From what I have researched. Now man does a lot of harmful things to the environment and I think that it would be in our best interest to focus less on climate change and more on some of the more direct and irrefutably scientifically proven.

another note to all posting links to various news articles "proving" their claim. An article by no means proves your claim. You give me an article arguing for man made climate change and I could pull up a hundred more very credible scientifically backed ones refuting that. And the same goes the other way around. There are simply too many articles on both sides of the story. It also doesn't help that almost 100% of research is biased by funding. you have the big oil and energy companies hiring scientists for their claims. And also the big environmental organizations hiring scientist to support their claims. The scientists need to receive blind funding to properly conduct research. Otherwise you will always get skewed and opposite evidence supporting both sides.

That's my 2 cents. Is it possible man is setting in motion a cataclysmic cycle? Yes. Is it likely? From my research i have found it to be very unlikely. And believe me I researched both sides. I wrote a report on this going into it writing a report to prove climate change was man caused. And after a lot of research I really changed my mind.

Did you had any contact with the outdoors whilst formulating your study and experienced that very very very very very very tiny portion of our atmosphere you talk about, or was it just paper, letters and numbers for mind mastur*ation?

Did you had any contact with the outdoors whilst formulating your study and experienced that very very very very very very tiny portion of our atmosphere you talk about, or was it just paper, letters and numbers for mind mastur*ation?

Phantom great point. A couple things. First my research paper was not in any way a study. I researched and looked into a lot of studies however I did no actual experimentation myself. Why? because I simply do not have the resources or knowledge to create anywhere near as credible a study as those I researched. Therefore it would be much more practical to research other studies before conducting any type of study of my own. So no while writing my paper I did not have too much contact with the outdoors. Also I did not have any contact with the very very very tiny portion of the atmosphere I talked about as that portion lies quite a ways above us. I can't exactly jump to it. So yes my paper was just a paper letters and numbers for as you would say mind masturbation. However that was the purpose of the paper. To inform and come to a conclusion on what I thought was really happening to our environment.

I have experienced the outdoors though. In fact I am absolutely in love with spending time outside. Not while writing my research paper of course but during a good portion of my life. I am an avid outdoors man. I love to ski especially. Also very little is more enjoyable to me than spending a week away from civilization and camping on a river, lake, campground, state park, anywhere really. I love the water as well and am big into wake boarder and boating, kayaking, white water rafting. I owe my love for the outside to my dad and if I lost the outdoors I would lose a part of me.

I would also consider myself an environmentalist. How is this possible when I don't support the climate change movement? The environmentalist movement gets the vast majority of its money through donations. So money is a precious commodity. I would like the money to be put to work the best it can to preserve the world I love. I do not believe that the money should be spent to prevent climate change. From my research I came to the conclusion that there are numerous issues that our resources should be devoted towards to save the environment. Stopping climate change is not one of them. It's a futile endeavor. The climate changes it always have and always will. Let it run its course the last known mass extinction was millions of years ago and I think we'll make it through this course just fine.

Hope that answers your question.

As this thread prowes in it's own way: There is much doubt wether CO2 can be proven to have any scientificly proven negative impat on climate changes.

I believe they do, but i cannot prove it. I belive in it, but the matter is so complex, that I don't understand everything in the equation. So I believe it in the same way I belive in good. I know it exists, but I am unable too prove it.

But on the other hand i DO understand, that everything that produces CO2 is linked with our current wesern model of society, where increase in comsuming and increase in producing more effectively, creates more CO2. If we are to lower CO2 emissions drastically, we need to change our society fundamentally.
That is why nothing will be done, before everyones lives will be threatened by climate changes. And by then.. it will probably be too late.



Bob Dylan Said: "You don't need a weatherman to know wich way the wind blows"

I'm not really that worried about global warming. I guess its because it is not affecting me yet.

Originally Posted by SpecialA

I'm not really that worried about global warming. I guess its because it is not affecting me yet.

well that's an arrogant statement. We should all care about the planet regardless of where we live or whether or not it is affecting us or not.

Originally Posted by RonWD

well that's an arrogant statement. We should all care about the planet regardless of where we live or whether or not it is affecting us or not.

rofl I do care about the environment but i dont really think about Global Warming as a HUGE issue.