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Illuminati
I have a book called behold a pale horse. It talks about a lot of things and the author (Milton William Cooper) claims to know a lot about secret societies, UFO's, and a lot more. I didn't read the whole thing but I skimmed through parts.
Now I believe in a lot of things and how corrupt the American government is. There's a website ( The Vigilant Citizen ) that talks about this. I would like to know everyone's take on this.
When trying to search for something that is largely shrouded, never give serious weight to one person's work, no matter how convincing it sounds.
Most such materials mash what can plausibly be taken as factual (which of course, depends on ones world view), and what is interpreted/extrapolated from it.
Secret societies are a perfect example. Depending on which writers perspective you take, the same society might range from an honorable, enlightenment seeking group, to an evil, satanic, power seeking conspiracy group.
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A perfect example is a popular idea in "freemasonry conspiracies". One CT nut I knew was going on and showing how the geometries/designs/numbers involved in the design of washinton DC were "eerily similar" to each other, and other things around the world.
The conclusion: Its all part of a big conspiracy, right?
If you frame these facts right, such as the material that this particular nut was showing me, it can seem as though "something is up".
However, when one has the knowledge of the existance of near-universal traditions of sacred geometry and sacred mathematics throughout history, finds that these "conspiratorial" designs/mathematics correspond to many of these, and combines this with the fact that mysticism was often a part of freemasonry tradition, this "ominous" relationship becomes obvious... and benign
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9/11 is another example. While the truth is most likely somewhere in the middle, as usual, fundamentalist nuts draw irrational conclusions from facts.
The controversial "fact" that the collapse of the building and the way they collapsed could only be a controlled demolition, and the supposed existence of explosive/thermite remnants found, is "proof" of a massive, inter-government conspiracy.
The part that 99% of the effort the nuts spend arguing, is that "yes, the facts show there were explosives". In their mind, this is the main thing that matters, because if there were indeed explosives.... this somehow proves that it wasn't a terrorist attack, and that it confirms their conception of a massive, unrealistic conspiracy.
So you have the basic format of "the evidence shows there were explosives involved, therefore, the only reasonable explanation is our version of this massive conspiracy"
In other words -- and this is a common rhetorical device which is used, probably both consciously by some people, and unconsciously by most, is that most of the effort and argument centers around the less significant.
In other words, with 9/11, EVEN IF THERE WERE 100% proof of explosives used, this is hardly conclusive evidence of their beliefs. In fact, its not even plausible evidence. However, this all gets drowned out, and most 9/11 arguments, for the most part.... on both sides... miss this little observation.
So its important to learn to consciously distinguish the presented facts, from the presented conclusions, as in human discourse, they are usually intertwined, and if you dont, the result is usually swallowing both, together.
Last edited by mtguy8787; February 12th, 2011 at 01:55 AM.
All i can say is that the people who actually know something are smart enough to refrain from talking about it. These innumerous authors are all outsiders.
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I have to agree, there's no way people in these societies would go blabbing around in tell all books. It's all about the $ for these losers.Originally Posted by Mr_Fantasy
Don't get me wrong through, we all know the societies exist but we won't know anything about em anytime soon
Also check out the film zenith by anonimous. You can get it legally and for free at Vodo.com. There are bits of truth mixed with fiction. Its up to you to sepparate them.
Re: Illuminati
Maybe the societies know that the general public will not believe these people and they let them publish.
Re: Illuminati
Years ago I read a smattering of the material available then on the so-called Illuminati. Frankly, I tired of it quickly as the fascination aspect burned brightly then extinguished itself, much to my relief. Fact or fiction? Who knows? Too many of the authors are just believing their own paranoic projections, methinks. And getting and keeping one's attention bound up in this cloak and dagger stuff is as harmful or moreso than much of the "evil deeds" that the powers that be may be up to. And look at it this way, the fabric of the manifest realm is duality, electronic pairs of opposites: good/bad, high/low, sacred/profane, God/Devil, expanded/contracted, positive/negative, should/shouldn't, ad infinitum. Yes? So, please let the pendulum swing from one extreme to the other and don't too caught up in it if you can.
The effect of all this "investigation" into secret societies is separative. It engenders fear, mistrust, and a constant mood of betrayal in those who saturate their thought processes with this kind of material. And, as wiser folks than I have said--there is no evil only maya and no sin only karma. Words to live by.
Hope it helps.
~TAO
All I know the person who exposed them are dead now either murdered or died in sickness or natural way.
I have read something about illuminati's and some of their symbols and I'm seeing them very often on music videos, especially on Rihanna, Lady Gaga, Jay-z, Beyonce, and much more, and if you take a close look sometimes you can se them to.
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