Thread: War between USA and China???

Near future? Unlikely. Not impossible.



Next 30 years or so? Moderate to likely.

I think it really depends on how things turn with respect to oil and alternative fuels. As the interior of China modernizes, we will continue to see an increase in the demand for oil based products. The effects of the reduced production and increased demand will be increased discord in world politics, and I believe will likely lead to the next world war, the winners of which will become the dominant power for at least a generation.

Well, since both countries posses nuclear weapons, I think a hot war between the two is almost impossible.

For me, I think that a war with China is a near inevitability.

And the reasoning for that is that same as with the Cold War with Russia.

The USA thinks that it is the big dog on the world stage and works in it's own interests to extend our influence to every corner of the world.

China being the major manufacturing country of the world is in direct competition with the USA for the same influence for resources and other things [ technologies, ideas, highly skilled labor, etc. ].

Since there are two competitors for the same limited resources, it is only a matter of time before one of those resources becomes so dear to the national interest of both countries that they would be willing to go to war over it to control that resource.

That is what pretty much started the last major hot war [ WWII or whatever you want to call it ]. Both Germany and Japan were extending their reach for resources to grow their individual nations to be on the same or higher field than the US, Britain and France.

As for the results of a conflict between the US and China, I have my doubts that the US could truly win for one simple fact. China has the sheer weight of the number of people both in their country and in their military that far exceeds ours. We may have the best military technology in the world but we most likely would lose out in a war of attrition since we could never sustain ourselves with the same casualty rate that China could do.

Originally Posted by NWArkGuy

For me, I think that a war with China is a near inevitability.

And the reasoning for that is that same as with the Cold War with Russia.

The USA thinks that it is the big dog on the world stage and works in it's own interests to extend our influence to every corner of the world.

China being the major manufacturing country of the world is in direct competition with the USA for the same influence for resources and other things [ technologies, ideas, highly skilled labor, etc. ].

Since there are two competitors for the same limited resources, it is only a matter of time before one of those resources becomes so dear to the national interest of both countries that they would be willing to go to war over it to control that resource.

That is what pretty much started the last major hot war [ WWII or whatever you want to call it ]. Both Germany and Japan were extending their reach for resources to grow their individual nations to be on the same or higher field than the US, Britain and France.

As for the results of a conflict between the US and China, I have my doubts that the US could truly win for one simple fact. China has the sheer weight of the number of people both in their country and in their military that far exceeds ours. We may have the best military technology in the world but we most likely would lose out in a war of attrition since we could never sustain ourselves with the same casualty rate that China could do.

Why would China go to war with us when the they are the biggest holder of American debt (bonds) than any other organization/country in the world? That would be like investing in a company, then destroying it on purpose. Doesn't make sense.

And, we are their exporting bread and butter; if we stopped trading with them, their currency would become overvalued and they wouldn't be able to trade with anyone else.

Furthermore, China has deep rooted political instabilities when they open themselves to the world. The coastal cities become wealthy while the western peasants become angry that they have no say/wealth. That caused the revolution which overthrew monarchy in China.

Originally Posted by sticky

Why would China go to war with us when the they are the biggest holder of American debt (bonds) than any other organization/country in the world? That would be like investing in a company, then destroying it on purpose. Doesn't make sense.

And, we are their exporting bread and butter; if we stopped trading with them, their currency would become overvalued and they wouldn't be able to trade with anyone else.

That is like asking of why does anyone do anything irrational? Just because that China holds our debt currently does not preclude them from getting into a shooting war with the US.

As in WWII, the USA exported oil and other goods to Japan until their expansion into China, Mongolia, Korea, and their start to move into southeast Asia forced the US government to embargo most exports to their country. That was what "forced" Japan into thinking up and committing to the attack on Pearl Harbor to try and knock out the USA's Pacific Fleet [ thinking that if it were fully destroyed that the US would not go to war ].

Now, I am not saying that China would attack us as Japan did or the US attacking China. But, there could be something whether it be oil, gold, food, land [ ex. Taiwan ] or some other resource that both countries want and need to continue to thrive. If that happens, that could precipitate a shooting war no matter the cost on either side.

China said they are going to back Syria and Russia said they are going to support Iran. Iran said if Syria is attacked, that they shall support them. ww3 is coming America and europe vs China, Russia, Syria, Iran

There won't be a war between the U.S. and China. I look at the insane people that suggest it oddly everytime they do. No one would win the war. The body count for both sides would be so high that we would end up declarying it a tie.

I don't buy this. Business relations are so tight between the two countries (what isn't "made in China", amirite?) The only reason I'd expect China to duke it out with The States would be to alleviate the overcrowding problem that exists in that part of Asia. Perhaps India would join in for the same reason.

War with China is something we'll see in our lifetime.


Both China and Russia have repeatedly stated they would involved themselves militarily if the US engaged in military action against Iran or Syria. Russia is actively patrolling near the Strait of Hormuz to provide a presence to reenforced it's statements.


China has announced it will park one of it's CBG's just outside US waters on the West Coast in retaliation for US involvement in North Korea/South Korea hostilities in the Yellow Sea.




Iran is very flippant but not stupid. They've spent the past 30+ years dedicating to providing a competent military force to combat US hostility. In the event the US does initiate a conventional conflict, Iran would not hesitate to instigate it into nuclear conflict.


Iran is also an active participate in asymmetrical conflict, it has repeatedly announced it has multiple cells inside the US that are both KGB and GRU trained.




Outside of the edgy situation with Iran and Syria;


While China may be the largest holder of US debt, it is fiat debt that can never been repaid and China knows this. If China called in the debt it holds against the US, the US would have to pay in resources and land mass because of the mass insolvency created by printing unbacked currency and running a massive deficit.


Russia and China just recently started exchanging each others currencies as reserve currencies instead of the USD.


China would only call in on US debt if China had a desire to remove the US economically, such as to cause an economic collapse of the US, then either offer up a deal to bail out the US or outright claim the US as owed collateral for it's debt.


We are quickly becoming useless to the Chinese, as our economy dwindles and we import less, China is quickly rising to become an economic power house and as the Chinese median income rises the demand for goods and services rises, thus providing a self-sustaining economic model and no reason for them to rely on the US.



In any scenario, Russia would be an active ally to China. The Russians know full well when China takes the slot as world head that it can regain some of it's lost luster and appeal since the collapse of the Soviet Union.