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No where on that graph is there another region where there is effectively no change in temperature for a significant portion of time. Ice ages and ecological disasters are part of the earth's cycle, but a lack of a cycle is not. If anything humans are stopping the cycle of ice ages/tropical periods. That's why the proper scientific term for what everyone calls "global warming" is climate change.Originally Posted by CodeMonkey
Isn't the general belief that before we get "global warming" as the name suggests, it'll get very, very cold first?
Ehhh....that's debatable. We don't understand weather/climate at all. I mean meteorologists are effectively making educated guesses based on years of experience. But they don't completely understand why they're right. Dealing with an entire climate changing is way over anyone's head. That's why the only measures that any country is taking so far are passive ones, in that they're cleaning up they mess they made and that's all. There's no effort to actively add something to the earth to stop climate change. There are ideas...but they're a long, long way off if anyone ever does do them.
But you have a perfect understanding? :s
What like countries in Peru where every tree that's torn down for paper etc has one planted in it's place? People are trying but at the end of the day, we still have our lives to live and nowadays we have certain ways of doing them and it's short sighted, but we'll continue to do them as global warming is another generations problem really. The future is in renewable, clean energy (including in vehicles).
If it is a natural process ofc which I think it is and it's a quite accepted theory that we're just speeding it up, you wont be able to stop it, just slow it down. This may be our planet but we still have to bend over and take whatever nature throws at us, not to mention the fact that nature is unpredictable. Nature doesn't have devices to tell it when there's too much of x, y or z like we do and so like in the graph posted earlier things fluctuate.
I never said I did. All I said was that no one does, not even an okay understanding.
None of those are active measures to stop climate change. Those are passive in the sense that they are just ways to stop or lower the damage humans are already causing. Like I said an active measure would be something that is added to the ecosystem that wasn't there before. One example is the idea to put lots and lots of tiny mirrors into orbit around the earth. They would deflect some of the sun's rays and lower global warming. Of course this could cause other issues and the reason no one has done anything active so far is because no one has enough of an understanding to know what consequences will come of anything that is done.
As for humans having to bend over and take it, I disagree. Look at what we've done to ecosystems around the world. We've destroyed much of what rainforest there used to be, rainforest that stood for hundreds of thousands of years before humans started industrializing. We've destroyed coral reefs, tundras, grasslands, expanded deserts, killed off or close to killed off many species of animals and plants. Humans can and do have a huge impact on the earth. The issue is that it is much easier to destroy something than to fix it.
And just one argument no one ever mentions for climate change being man-made and not just a natural cycle. Why are the polar bears dying out? Polar bears originated about 150,000 years ago. There was a warm period right after that, warmer than it is now. But they survived through that. Clearly the ice didn't melt enough to threaten their existence then. But it's happening now. Sure, it could still be a natural phenomenon, but it's more likely it's due to humans and something we've done to cause ice to melt more than it did around 140,000 years ago, such as causing the temperature to remain high for a longer period of time than a natural cycle would.
Last edited by DaegonPhyn; March 9th, 2011 at 04:09 PM.
Growing up in America, I've always wanted to live in Canada because pot is legal and free healthcare
+1 on healthcare.
Re: Canadians out number Americans (on AGW belief)
It’s not just the US lobbying system…it’s the two party system as well. Everything is black and white in the states and nothing is grey. This separates all choices in life into right vs wrong. Don’t believe me? Listen to Rush Limbaugh or any other right wing conservative nut-job (and I even vote republican). In one episode of Rush that I was forced to listen to while visiting my mother-in-laws house, it went without saying that green cars are liberal (the worst of the worst insults to Rush’s audience), as is any claim that the BP oil spill is a disaster. But he even went as far as to suggest organic meats were liberal. So now my shopping habits belie my political inclinations? And that’s not the only ridiculous line they those pundits drew in the sand. At my in-laws, conservative talk shows on AM radio are playing 24/7. Even as a conservative Canadian, I am pulling my hair out after day 1 already.
In Canada, if I bought a Prius, most of my friends show interest in it and want to go for a ride (even though most of my friends are conservative). If I served organic meat, most would consider that an extravagance instead of a political statement. There are significant grey areas here just as there are in real life. As frustrating as the Canadian political system can be at times, I love this system just as much as I detest the American one.
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