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    The entertainment industry don't run based on the number of spectators solely, but what keep the show running is the money that it generates and the will of the producers.
    The number of spectators is not directed linked with the income, since there are things like different publics with different incomes.
    Also, if the producer want, they can keep going without making a big profit, purely with the will to do it. This happens in Japan with studios producing content without a big profit, but based on their love for what they do.
    There is no such thing as look at the number of people watching it and decide the future of the show based on this.

    Movies and television are a way of art, and art is one of the big ways of showing a message, be it your feelings, a complain or just beauty itself. The change-over is that TV is a simple way to do that, and has a much bigger amplitude, due to the fact that you don't need to think much while watching the great part of the shows, unlike a statue or a paiting, that will require your brain and interpretation to be understood.
    If you can go all your day without looking at propaganda, monuments or even magazine covers then your mind and eyes must be tightly closed or you don't leave your house.

    If i'm driving to some place and there is this giant outdoor with a racist nazi content, it is not like i can shift it to the other side, close my eyes or look away. Just a glance is enought to receive the info they want you to see.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post

    If you can go all your day without looking at propaganda, monuments or even magazine covers then your mind and eyes must be tightly closed or you don't leave your house.

    If i'm driving to some place and there is this giant outdoor with a racist nazi content, it is not like i can shift it to the other side, close my eyes or look away. Just a glance is enought to receive the info they want you to see.
    TV in your home does NOT = everything you see outside when you drive around. Why do you keep comparing choosing to sit in your own home and watching TV to driving or walking around in public? I didn't say I could go my whole day without looking at propaganda, monuments, or magazine covers. What I said was I could go all day without watching TV.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    The entertainment industry don't run based on the number of spectators solely, but what keep the show running is the money that it generates and the will of the producers.
    The number of spectators is not directed linked with the income, since there are things like different publics with different incomes.
    Also, if the producer want, they can keep going without making a big profit, purely with the will to do it. This happens in Japan with studios producing content without a big profit, but based on their love for what they do.
    There is no such thing as look at the number of people watching it and decide the future of the show based on this.
    Here you are comparing Japan with America. Again, apples to oranges as they are two ENTIRELY different cultures. (I would know, I've spent time in Japan and I live in America) The way Japan's entertainment industry is run is very different from the US. And no, most of American TV is not done "because it's art" it's done for money. And even if shows like that did persist to air even though nobody watched them, then the people are fixing the "problem" themselves by not watching the shows, because it's a choice to watch TV, and even further yet another choice to choose which shows you do and do not watch.
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    Censorship applies in everything that you can see or hear, doesn't matter if it is on TV or any other media vehicle. If it is censored in one place, the other can't show it.

    You have again linked the number of spectators to the income. I won't keep repeating myself, but a lower number of watchers doesn't imply in a lower income. Also, you keep talkig like TV is the only relevant factor in this matter and by saying "you choosed to do it", that is just a simplistic way to transfer the responsability, the problem is solved. If that is right i could say that as you elected someone to the government, it's decisions are the will of the people, so just deal with the censorship since the population was the one who brought it up or failed to take down. Censorship isn't exclusive to TV and every decision applies to other medias so if you talk about censorship at TV, rmember that it is tied with other things too. There is no way to isolate one thing from the others.

    The Japan was just an example, don't take it by a rule, but don't contradict your statement that every place is different by bringing USA up. The rest of the world isn't the same as you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    Censorship applies in everything that you can see or hear, doesn't matter if it is on TV or any other media vehicle. If it is censored in one place, the other can't show it.
    I picked up on my argument on the topic of TV. I was not arguing about censorship in other areas. The bolded statement you made is downright wrong. If you have to censor one area you do NOT have to censor another, otherwise HBO would be as tame as NBC or ABC or other public TV broadcasts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    You have again linked the number of spectators to the income. I won't keep repeating myself, but a lower number of watchers doesn't imply in a lower income.
    You've yet to prove your claim here with any sort of logical refutation other than comparing the US to Japan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    If that is right i could say that as you elected someone to the government, it's decisions are the will of the people, so just deal with the censorship since the population was the one who brought it up or failed to take down.
    No offense at all, but you are extremely naive if you believe every decision made by the government is the true will of the people. Politics is way different from socioeconomics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    Censorship isn't exclusive to TV and every decision applies to other medias so if you talk about censorship at TV, rmember that it is tied with other things too. There is no way to isolate one thing from the others.
    Censorship for different medias varies depending on the said media being censored. My argument was based on TV, no other media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fractal View Post
    The Japan was just an example, don't take it by a rule, but don't contradict your statement that every place is different by bringing USA up. The rest of the world isn't the same as you.
    No, the rest of the world is not the same. Are you trying to argue about censorship globally (across all countries), or your own? To argue about censorship for all countries would be rather difficult as every country has different laws. Pardon me for believing we were originally talking about censorship in the US, being as I live in the US that is the only place I refer my arguments to. Maybe things would be a bit more clear if you told me which government/country you are referring to for your argument against censorship.

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