Thread: What do you think about the wars in Israel?

I don't want to start a flame war, but as an Israeli who lived most of his life (two thirds and counting) in this country,I always hear about war, every history lesson is about war and it just annoys me.
Recently, a website opened for Israelis to explain the entire situation in the middle east and mainly the war in the Gaza Strip because I guess people here think that countries in Europe and several states in the US are against Israel so they spread false information.
I just want to know, what do they say in the news in your country? (also please specify the name of the country)

I have one friend in Ireland on in the UK and there's a new student in my school, she's from the US, so I guess it explains my more or less good english :P

Tough choice, this debate !

What i think is, of course Israel must continue to exist.

In my country, France, since there is the first largest jewish community in Europe ( third after Israel and USA ), the media are very careful regarding this conflict because there is a few jewish pro-israel organizations that are quite active and quite quick to engage in lawsuits.

Since Netanyou came back in power, i got to say, i find the israel government to be awful, i'm not even talking about Lieberman !

Lately i just heard that colonization has started again despite the fact that the end of colonization was one of the prerequisite to the peace talks...

I just don't see how Israel will be able to live peaceful in the next decades, when you know that 20 percent of the Israelis national are arabs and that their demography is higher than those of the jewish people, well, what'll happen ??!

If i was an israeli, and i believe i could be since i'm jewish, i would wait for the next election and get rid of this government.

Do YOU want to explain how it is fair to STEAL the land of the muslims??? They would be OUT of thier MIND to not fight back. I really don't see how the Isreals can justify such EVIL, without being ignorant!!!
Now I will tell you about why the US made isreal: to act as a wacth dog in the Middle East, in the same manner than Japan is one in asia, and Turkey in europe during the cold war. It is not because they feel pity for the holocaust: the government has NO EMOTIONS, they do whats best for the country, and Isreal is really useful to the US espeacially with the situation in the Middle East.
Everyone hates isreal, thats why they are banned from the Asian games, not because of a mere fight, but because they were afraid Isreal will cause problems with other countries.
I am athiest FYI. I live in the US, the son of immigrants from China, and this is my opinion...
Sadly, Isreal will never disapear, unless Iran develop nukes. That is because the US needs Isreal as a loyal wacth dog and to station military camps.

I BEG you to provide me with a INTELEGENT and JUST explanation of why Isreal is in where it is in. And why the muslims shouln't feel pissed off by the fact that they got thier land STOLEN!

Originally Posted by user_name

Do YOU want to explain how it is fair to STEAL the land of the muslims??? They would be OUT of thier MIND to not fight back. I really don't see how the Isreals can justify such EVIL, without being ignorant!!!
Now I will tell you about why the US made isreal: to act as a wacth dog in the Middle East, in the same manner than Japan is one in asia, and Turkey in europe during the cold war. It is not because they feel pity for the holocaust: the government has NO EMOTIONS, they do whats best for the country, and Isreal is really useful to the US espeacially with the situation in the Middle East.
Everyone hates isreal, thats why they are banned from the Asian games, not because of a mere fight, but because they were afraid Isreal will cause problems with other countries.
I am athiest FYI. I live in the US, the son of immigrants from China, and this is my opinion...
Sadly, Isreal will never disapear, unless Iran develop nukes. That is because the US needs Isreal as a loyal wacth dog and to station military camps.

I BEG you to provide me with a INTELEGENT and JUST explanation of why Isreal is in where it is in. And why the muslims shouln't feel pissed off by the fact that they got thier land STOLEN!

My two cents:

Israel was created as a nation by America/Britain, fine. I totally agree with you on most of your points, except the Iran nukes. This may be American propaganda, but I would be scared to live in America if someone who has proclaimed time and time again that he hates the United States to have nukes.

i my country (Romania) ar no real discussion about the war in Middle East
To argue about ho stole more land is a nonsense because both countrys stole,non of those to countrys whas borne there and most important you can hold accountable today people for what their ancestors did is they really want to stop the war they shoud take just how those to countrys look today not how they look 2000 years ago and also very important they shoud try to relocating some of the population because you can give to another country a region from the heart of your one country this will never solve the probleme on long terms ,
S ame probleme is in Kosovo that is the "heart" of Serbia ,their entire history revolves around that place , if someone whats to solve that probleme they shoud relocate the albanian population not creating a new state in the heart of another
All country in Europe give up land because of demographic changes in the last 2000 years ,including my country ,because is not really your land if you dont have majority there or if that majority has artificially created
And for people that think they desorve some land just because for a small period of time they rule a territory ,just imagine if the mongolians or macedonians ask for they land back

Originally Posted by sticky

My two cents:

Israel was created as a nation by America/Britain, fine.

Israel is a country older than SUA and Great Britain put together actually is one of the first nation ,learn some history before you give your opinion
No probleme can be solve with people that can not see or they dont want to see the big picture

I was just kidding with the nukes...
Isreal is a older country than... BUT the jews didn't even have control of it back then, the muslims did! Of course the brits and americans didn't like that, as they had no military base there. Then they claimed part of the holy land for Isreal and set up thier bases and shit.

Originally Posted by user_name

Isreal is a older country than... BUT the jews didn't even have control of it back then, the muslims did!

man , the first Israel country was founded three centuries ago there were no British or Americans or Muslims in those days

Originally Posted by krs1

Israel is a country older than SUA and Great Britain put together actually is one of the first nation ,learn some history before you give your opinion
No probleme can be solve with people that can not see or they dont want to see the big picture

Firstly, the first civilizations or nations of the world date back to around 5-6000 BC, while the first notion of Israel's existance dates to around 1200 BC. It's definitely not one of the first civilizations or nations, not even in that area of the world (the idea of nations itself is much younger than this).

The preexisting civilization before the Israelites was Canaan, which goes to prove that not even they have any historical rights to the land, if you want to discuss the whole situation in those terms (but I do think it's pretty useless).

Secondly, Israel as a modern nation is younger than both the US and Great Britain (which is not a nation, by the way), which is what I think sticky was refering to.

To stay on topic, I do think that the whole situation is very infected, with extermists on both sides. It's all been handled very poorly by the Israeli government, and it's a really tricky one to solve. A good start would probably be not to blockade Gaza or expand the settlements.

Originally Posted by user_name

Do YOU want to explain how it is fair to STEAL the land of the muslims??? They would be OUT of thier MIND to not fight back. I really don't see how the Isreals can justify such EVIL, without being ignorant!!!
Now I will tell you about why the US made isreal: to act as a wacth dog in the Middle East, in the same manner than Japan is one in asia, and Turkey in europe during the cold war. It is not because they feel pity for the holocaust: the government has NO EMOTIONS, they do whats best for the country, and Isreal is really useful to the US espeacially with the situation in the Middle East.
Everyone hates isreal, thats why they are banned from the Asian games, not because of a mere fight, but because they were afraid Isreal will cause problems with other countries.
I am athiest FYI. I live in the US, the son of immigrants from China, and this is my opinion...
Sadly, Isreal will never disapear, unless Iran develop nukes. That is because the US needs Isreal as a loyal wacth dog and to station military camps.

I BEG you to provide me with a INTELEGENT and JUST explanation of why Isreal is in where it is in. And why the muslims shouln't feel pissed off by the fact that they got thier land STOLEN!

Well.. You're kind of right but also wrong.
During the holocaust, the jews didn't have anywhere to go, because countries were other too afraid to keep jews in their country or just hated the jewish population. After the holocaust, the BRITISH owned that little piece of land!
Israel was a british colony, just like the US (before they decided they are their own country). Unlike the american one, the british colony in Israel was loyal to Great Britan, but they didn't really like that place (full of muslims and constant wars between settlers and the arabs that lived around the areas).
Now to what happened and made Israel what it is today:
Benjamin Zeev (Theodor) Herzl decided that jews need their own country but he didn't want to invade the land that was currently in control of the british... He wanted them to let jews live their and that they need their own state, later, in 1947, it was agreed (a whole lot after Benjamin died) and in 1948, it happened.

So to what you said, it's not like jews came and stole this country for no reason, there were a few other reasons:
1. It was already taken over by the british, it wasn't an arabic land.
2. It was a perfect solution to antisemitism.
3. According to the jews, this is their promised land.

P.S. That being said, I'm an atheist