Thread: Israel x Middle East

The negotiations on the peace at Middle East are in course now, and the radical groups of Gaza already stated that will do anything to sabotage the talks.

The facts:
1) Israel is an artificial country (wich does not means it isn't legit) created by the UN in 1947.
2) Israel is constantly being atacked by radical islamic groups (arab is not islamic. Iran for example is not an arab country) and was constantly atacked by other countries in it's breaf history.
3) Israel is not signatory of the Treaty on the non-proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.
4) Israel killed many civilians during some disastrous atacks against the radical groups.
5) The price of the oil today is born from USA helping Israel. It is a comeback from OPEC (i won't explain the details).
6) The terrorism against the US and other western countries is fruit of their relationship with IL too, if they don't gave any suport to the zionist cause, 9/11 would never have hapened. The USA constant interventions and imperialism in other countries internal matters too led to a big hate against it.

Now, my view:
Israel is alive only because of the link it has with the Jew community in the USA, epecially in NY, they had enough political and financial power to pressure the US government to provide gear and technology in the early 50s in order to Israel survive the wars against Middle East countries.

Israel purposely kills civilians sometimes, I'm an engineer and those excuses about the missile miss the target are false, the technology today allow a missile to destroy a building thousands of miles away with surgical precision (Brazil's army has those type of technology and Israel, with one of the most advanced weapons in the whole world, certainly has too). Not to mention the massacre of ten unarmed activists that were trying to provide supplies to Gaza recently.

Radical islamic groups hide behind civilians. They don't have the belic power to face IL (nor probably the whole Middle East) in a frontal war, so they use this coward guerrilla tactics to not be swept by israeli army.

Imo a pacific way out of this situation is out of question in the near future. The prejudice against each other are already in the people minds and it will take some generations to clear it. And the only thing that prevent IL to launch a nuclear atack is that doing it would mean losing all the suport from other countries. IL achieved what i judge was almost impossible: stopping the Middle East internal fights. The region is in constant war, the Islam ramifications aways killed each other due to religious disagreements, but their hate towards the Jews grew bigger than their own differences and tribal conflicts leading to the pan-islamic-arabism, never in history the arab were united like today.



Me and my friend were visiting some temples in my city (from all kind of religions) to see how was the archtecture and the art of the place. We were very well received in the Christian and Ortodox churches, we drunk tea with a monk in the Buddhist temple after our visit and we sit and chated with some people and the cleric (i don't remember how he were called) at the islamic mosque, but i never saw so much prejudice like in the jew synagogue. My friend is born from a jew family, she isn't practitioner though, and as soon as she said her name they let her in, but for me, a japanese descendent and buddhist, they asked what was my name, my religion and my bussiness there, when i said it all, they asked me to wait for my friend oustide the synagogue fence. I asked why and the answer was: "i cant' let a non-believer profane the synagogue, nor risk our securety". Note: i was well dressed and not in our history, the jews had a problem with prejudice or atacks in my country.

The jews surely sufferd a lot, from the slavery in Egypt to the holocaust, and now the war IL is in made a great part of them paranoid and led to irrational fear.
UN surely is the one to blame, they hushed and created a State disregarding the people that already lived there, that the place does not have enough water, so the one who controls the fountains controls the place and that Jerusalem is the sacred land for 3 giant religions.

I don't think that any other country (like US or Europe) should make any miltary actions here. Unless all of the Middle East is killed, someone will stand against the invaders and defend what in their culture is the most sacred thing: their home, martyrdom is surely an option here.


Lets try to refrain from discussing religion motivations here.

Wow awesome article, couldn't agree more with you there mate. It's an issue that needs to be solved before it's too late. Don't really have time to post my opinion right now (uni early tomorrow) thanks for the post!

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