Thread: Do Atheists seem hypocritical to you?

Originally Posted by portable

thanks for the wiki link, I know what science is ...and I know that Francis Bacon, the famous philosopher, has rightly said that a little knowledge of science makes man an atheist, but an in-depth study of science makes him a believer in God.... and please take a look at the above link it has all scientific quotes you need ,,,, also have a look at the questions and answers in the comments as I see the same questions and answers are being discussed over and over..
any way If you like search youtube for Theist Vs Atheist Debate you will see another discussion about that .

SOME religious people never fail to amaze me. Talking about double standard, well, you could not get a better a better example.

While you tried to belittle science for not able to "create" something “out of nothing", did you ever realize that "god" of yours was never shown to "create" ANYTHING? You can only BELIEVE that him create something, but obviously you cannot prove it. On the other hand, the computer and all the routing hardware that enable you to post here are shown to be the creation of science.

What else do I need to say?

It seems quite clear that there's two discussions going on here now which are both quite interesting, though I have to say one is more productive then others (simply put any discussion between agnostics/atheists and theists is almost destined to end up in frustration as it's virtually impossible to argue someone into or out of believing in the existence of deities)

On the point of atheist versus agnostic I have to admit I've had some issues making my mind up I have a quite firm believe that god as preached by any of the main religions of today (or lesser ones for that matter) does not exist, the idea that a god exists but only talked to your particular region of the world is ludicrous to me (god is almighty but he can't talk to people in both South America and the Middle East at the same time?) so if a god exists I can say with quite some confidence that either none of the current religions have it right or a large majority do (if one of the Abrahamic religions is right they pretty much all are).

However when it comes to the idea of is there anything out there which created the world and can we know it the argument gets complex, however I have to say when you look at the big bang, and evolution and apply occam's razor it has to be said that introducing deities into the mix only increases the complexity without really giving any additional explanation so as a man of science I believe that the existence of deities is unlikely.

This is where I come back to the original point though, to say you know with absolute certainty there cannot be any deities is relatively presumptuous and those atheists who believe this generally can be pretty darned obnoxious however I believe most atheists like me are more inclined to say there's no way of ever knowing but it's unlikely there's anything out there and whether they consider themselves atheists or as I currently do agnostics doesn't really matter in my eyes.

Lots of interesting feedback. Thanks for those who have replied so far. Maybe I should have also been more specific about what I meant by the possibility of a god. I certainly did not mean specifically that any current religion could be right. By God I meant a conscience essence that created the universe and all the laws that govern it.

Another way to compare science and religion:

Imagine the world is hit by a meteor in 2012 and wiped out humanity, this does not mean that the people who predicted the end of the world knew the world was going to end. They just guess right. And I don't think guessing right makes you right necessarily either.

In my mind everyone who believes in god is essentially doing the same thing. Guessing there's a god. Nobody out there can tell you they KNOW there's a god. They don't have solid proof.

Scientists can aim their microscopes at the stars and search the universe and tell you that there is no meteor projection aimed at earth that is going to hit it in 2012. Automatically, science can prove the 2012 meteor believers wrong with this evidence, but they have yet to do this for every aspect of religious belief. Science is constantly disproving religious beliefs, but my point is just because of this trend, we cant necessarily say everything religious people guess to be true is false and beleive the opposit automatically.

In the field of physics, if two theories are both self consistent and able to explain the experimental results well, which one do we choose? We choose the simpler one, the one with less assumptions and less layers.

Now get back to Kicker's original post, what if there exists a god that simply cannot be obeserved or proved? What if He create the universe and all the physical laws in it? Well, it does not matter, it is equivilant to the theory that there is no god and just the physical laws. So why add a layer of assumption that has neither effects on the outcome nor can be proven one way or another?

Atheists do not so much as not believing in god or gods, but rather we believe in evidence and proof. If there is proof or even concrete evidence that said god or gods exists, we would happily believe. But in so many thousands years, all the religion combined failed to provide even a single solid evidence. Go figure.

my opinion is short and sweet now I am not a religious person but I do not mock religion but why is it that the first thing an atheist do when faced with a severe crisis is say dear God if they really do not believe in God

The question, refined "...a conscience essence that created the universe and all the laws that govern it"

1) I know I did not.
2) I don't know nor read any secular book pointing to the one who did.
3) I know, with the help of science, that something cannot be created from nothing is 100% True.

We say, we need proof.. I walk out my door, and for 1 minute look at the absolute beauty that can be found around me. The shear complexities of a simple oak tree, the perfectly orchestrated echo system of the forest, the unseen solar rays, the mystifying properties and purpose of antimatter, the many laws of our world that allows for life and processes to move forward. This list can go on over and over and over a million times...

For me, it makes far more logical sense (based on empirical proof) that we are existing inside a "created space".

Believing in a macro-evolved space, is incredibly difficult for me, when the theory that defines it is broken down, into it's singular parts. I believe it produces far more questions then answers.

No. I am yet to see one, well atleast from a true atheist. Before I go quoting myself, does anybody have a true date of the first atheist or atheism?

Originally Posted by superbad09

No. I am yet to see one, well atleast from a true atheist. Before I go quoting myself, does anybody have a true date of the first atheist or atheism?

I had an epic fail when I tried to understand your question or what you meant to ask, can you please explain yourself a bit more?
Thanks

Originally Posted by theXader

I had an epic fail when I tried to understand your question or what you meant to ask, can you please explain yourself a bit more?
Thanks

what the heck, i was responding, i went to post and was logged out, weird, i had just logged in. boo.

I am asking for a time period or date when people stopped believing in a supreme being or beings, regardless of form. Anyways way off subject.

When you say hypocritical, do you mean in terms of religion/belief? Or the person themselves? Personality, reliability, etc.