Thread: Do Atheists seem hypocritical to you?

S2cuts...



Uhhmm.. wrong, wrong, and wrong. Once again, you seem to like stalking me in my posts but I dont mind. You saying I never read the Bible because you think so is pretty childish and in fact wrong since I have read it several times. And instead of just saying Im wrong, how about you take your own advice and "cite" something, anything to back up your claims. In fact, you dont do that because you just like to jump into conversations and accuse people all you can just to stir things up.

Here is a citation for you, even though you cited nothing for me:

John 13:34 - A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

Originally Posted by SilverStreak

Here is a citation for you, even though you cited nothing for me:

John 13:34 - A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die." Deuteronomy 13:5-10

Clearly this is the root of inter-religion violence, which is the root of this debate. And keep in mind, this is directly supported by the ten commandments, unlike your citation. In fact, John 13:34 is incredibly vague and meaningless. Consider that jesus is entirely in agreement with the laws of moses which regularly prescribes stoning for all sorts of transgressions. So if this is the kind of "love" you're hinting at, count me out.

Care to try again?

Originally Posted by DaegonPhyn

Yes, but you're speculating. I know religion leads to hate and violence. I would even argue that that kind of mentality within the human psyche of not liking those that are different stems from religion itself. Considering that religion was ingrained into society long ago and almost all religions say things like shun the nonbeliever, or worse, that hatred could stem from there. That's only speculation and I'm not certain it could be proven to be the original cause. I'm sure our ancient man background might be even worse considering the destruction of Neanderthals.

Either way, without religion there'd be less people can dislike/hate/kill each other for. That's good no matter which way you look at it.

I think you are being naive if you think humans wouldn't find a way to be violent towards each other if the concept of religion didn't exist.

As a matter fact, they already do.

Wars have been fought over money, territory, women, ideas, ethnic cleansing etc etc.

Originally Posted by SilverStreak

Once again, most religions preach kindness and acceptance.. not hate and violence which you point out. Familiarize yourself with some texts from different religions, and if you dont want to... what you state hold no merit as you have a biased point of view.

I replied to this same ignorant statement in the other thread on belief in God. You are incorrect. You should "familiarize yourself with some texts from different religions, and if you don't want to... what you state holds no merit as you have a biased point of view."

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Originally Posted by maverick2001

I think you are being naive if you think humans wouldn't find a way to be violent towards each other if the concept of religion didn't exist.

As a matter fact, they already do.

Wars have been fought over money, territory, women, ideas, ethnic cleansing etc etc.

No major war has ever been fought over any of those. Every single major war has been fought over the right to believe one thing or another. Whether it was the Crusades attempting to take the religious holy capital of Jerusalem, or the Revolutionary War to allow Americans to practice their beliefs freely and without oppression, or WWI, which originally stemmed from hatred between two different cultures, or WWII, which although Hitler's reason for starting shit may have not been beliefs that was the way he attained support, by saying Germany was for pure Germans and no one else and that soon extended to the world was only for pure Germans. Maybe not specifically religion, but every major war stems from beliefs. There have been small skirmishes here and there about the things you mentioned, but there's no way to garner enough support to do anything major if belief is not involved.

Honestly, I think you may need to re-visit the history books.

Quite a bit of conflicts in during the 20th Century were fought over issues other than Religion.

WWI had to do with differences in ethnicity.

WWII had to do with 3 Major things:
1) Germany wasn't forced to admit they were defeated during WWI and never admitted they were defeated.

2) Germany had to pay huge sums of debts to countries after WWI and it destroyed their economy.

3) Germany lost land during WWI and they were made about it.

Religion played a very small part of WWII. The Jews were used as scapegoats for the larger problems Germany had experience that I outlined above.

Vietnam and the Korean War had nothing to do with Religion. This conflict had to do with a clash of ideas, chiefly Communism and Capitalism.

Do I even need to mention previous wars the United States fought prior to the 20th Century? The Revolution, War of 1812, The Mexican War, The Civil War and a list of others had absolutely nothing to do with Religion, with regard to it being the central theme.

Not all atheists are hypocritical. Greedy people are more hypocritical. Especially greedy atheists. Religious people are most hypocritical people ever has lived. Look at the Pope, priests, religious crap... That's a pure hypocrisy.

s2cuts, how is the quote I gave you meaningless and vague? How much clearer can it be? It says to love one another. Do you not understand it? Its clear and meaningful, right there in plain English. And you quote something from the Old Testament, back when the laws were different and a lot of things were "legal." Stoning, slavery, and so on. That's why a New Testament was made, Jesus came and taught people how they should live and what to do banishing slavery and stoning. I challenge you to find something like that from the New Testament as I have shown you.

And here is something in the New Testament where Jesus condemned stoning:

John 8:3-11

3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”


Care to try again?

Originally Posted by maverick2001

Honestly, I think you may need to re-visit the history books.

Quite a bit of conflicts in during the 20th Century were fought over issues other than Religion.

WWI had to do with differences in ethnicity.

WWII had to do with 3 Major things:
1) Germany wasn't forced to admit they were defeated during WWI and never admitted they were defeated.

2) Germany had to pay huge sums of debts to countries after WWI and it destroyed their economy.

3) Germany lost land during WWI and they were made about it.

Religion played a very small part of WWII. The Jews were used as scapegoats for the larger problems Germany had experience that I outlined above.

Vietnam and the Korean War had nothing to do with Religion. This conflict had to do with a clash of ideas, chiefly Communism and Capitalism.

Do I even need to mention previous wars the United States fought prior to the 20th Century? The Revolution, War of 1812, The Mexican War, The Civil War and a list of others had absolutely nothing to do with Religion, with regard to it being the central theme.

What you fail to mention is that in almost each of the cases you cite, one side or the the other claimed some kind of divine right. Forget about those wars happening if the deluded religious populations weren't coerced with claims of religious superiority.

Originally Posted by s2cuts

What you fail to mention is that in almost each of the cases you cite, one side or the the other claimed some kind of divine right. Forget about those wars happening if the deluded religious populations weren't coerced with claims of religious superiority.

s2cuts, we will just have to agree to disagree.

This world is extremely violent, always has been and always will be, regardless of whether religion is playing a role.

Thanks