Thread: Do you think this planet is slowly going to Hell?

Originally Posted by Jschro14

Humans are not animals. Just as an animal cannot survive trying to function as a plant, neither can humans survive trying to function as animals. Human beings are the only species in the entire world that have the ability to self destruct. Animals have instincts to hunt and obtain fuel for their bodies, plants get it automatically from the soil in which they are growing. Human beings are the only ones who can willfully refuse to use reason and thought to acquire sustenance.

Humans can survive trying to function as animals because we ARE animals. Just because we have the superior brain power than all of the other animals on earth doesn't mean we can ignore our non-human ancestors, unless of course you're religious.



As far as the planet goes, I think it's definitely a long way from being destroyed by us. We may be the most destructive creatures around, but we're going to try and stay on this planet as long as we can because it's the only one we've got at the moment. Everyone will awaken from their self-induced coma and do their part once we're close to losing earth.

No John, we can't.

Humans have logic, reason, rationality. All of which are used when hunting for food. We don't have a basic instinct that tells us exactly how to hunt and gather. Animals do - they are born knowing instinctively what types of prey they can kill and how to do it. Humans must do it by building tools.

Animals wouldn't build the spears the cavemen hunted with, and we couldn't have found sufficient food to live and evolve without them. Reason and logic ARE required for us to survive. Anyone who goes through life abandoning the basic premise of thought is dooming themselves to failure.

Originally Posted by Jschro14

No John, we can't.

Humans have logic, reason, rationality. All of which are used when hunting for food. We don't have a basic instinct that tells us exactly how to hunt and gather. Animals do - they are born knowing instinctively what types of prey they can kill and how to do it. Humans must do it by building tools.

Animals wouldn't build the spears the cavemen hunted with, and we couldn't have found sufficient food to live and evolve without them. Reason and logic ARE required for us to survive. Anyone who goes through life abandoning the basic premise of thought is dooming themselves to failure.

We were hunter-gatherers... How in the world did we survive without basic instincts? You aren't thinking at all about how long it took ancient man to figure out that a broken rock can be used for as a weapon and how long before they attached sticks to it to extend their reach. Also, you keep thinking that the way our brain evolved somehow changes our evolutionary road.

You aren't born knowing how to hunt. Ancient man still had to teach their children how to hunt and what to gather, a child isn't born knowing what a berry is and what a piece of grass is.

Animals are born instinctively knowing what food is, and what threats are. Humans are not. Though, this is getting quite off topic, so I suppose I won't keep clogging the thread discussing it. Appreciate your.. input. :)

Originally Posted by Jschro14

Humans are not animals. Just as an animal cannot survive trying to function as a plant, neither can humans survive trying to function as animals. Human beings are the only species in the entire world that have the ability to self destruct. Animals have instincts to hunt and obtain fuel for their bodies, plants get it automatically from the soil in which they are growing. Human beings are the only ones who can willfully refuse to use reason and thought to acquire sustenance.

Is the world going to hell? I don't think so. Every species and race eventually comes to an end but I don't even believe we're at that point yet. As long as people live for themselves, and keep in mind that the only *true* moral value they should have is the value of their lives and how to make them better, we will be fine.

The scary thing to me is that people in this topic at some places are hinting at the fact that the only way to avoid our world falling into a hell-like condition is for all countries to work together. That scares me because no matter how good the intentions are, there is always going to be a leader. As soon as you give up your rational thought because it's easier to let a leader tell you what is good for you and what will help your life, you've become an animal, and then you self destruct.

If you want to keep the world moving and keep it from becoming worse than it is, simply do your part to go through your life not as a mindless drone doing task after task without analyzing the world around you, but as a rational being, the way man was meant to be. Don't be afraid to question the world you live in, and don't let anyone tell you what actions are "best" for you to take.

Don't let the leaders of the world use colorful and appealing words to hide the true intent of their actions. There's a reason they use those words - because if you knew what the real meaning was, you'd be appalled.

I'll end this speech with two quotes;
"Definitions are the guardians of rationality, the first line of defense against the chaos of mental disintegration."

-and-

"Ask yourself why totalitarian dictatorships find it necessary to pour money and effort into propaganda for their own helpless, chained, gagged slaves, who have no means of protest or defense. The answer is that even the humblest peasant or the lowest savage would rise in blind rebellion, were he to realize that he is being immolated, not to some incomprehensible noble purpose, but to plain, naked human evil."




EDIT - One last thing:



You're clearly confused on what true capitalism is. Capitalism demands that you trade value for value. I wouldn't pay more for something than what it is worth to me. Because of this, Microsoft doesn't sell Xbox 360 games for 500 dollars. They know they wouldn't sell.

Capitalism is the best moral and economic system - no, the *ONLY* moral system that exists, or can exist. For it's the only one that demands that you sell not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason.

(note: When I say “capitalism,” I mean a full, pure, uncontrolled, unregulated laissez-faire capitalism—with a separation of state and economics, in the same way and for the same reasons as the separation of state and church.)

Animals are born instinctively knowing what food is, and what threats are. Humans are not.

I really like the way you expressed your opinion on this matter. Of course I didn't mean that the world was going to self destruct in a year, I mean the planet is slowly deteriorating and people are getting more careless about it, too mixed up with trying to control their little worlds, and that will eventually lead to a not-so-bright future.

And, animals too have to learn a lot of things from their parents, including hunting. But the difference between humans and animals at this point in evolution is, your parents teach you manners (most parents, I guess), and, say, a cat will teach it's young how to hunt.

I think our planet is an amazing place! It is beautiful, overflowing with goodness and God's grace. There is enough on this planet to keep all of its inhabitants safe, sheltered, and secure from harm.....if man would allow it. Man is the destroyer of this beautiful place called earth. Man is the one going to hell, but not slowly.

Originally Posted by Jschro14

You aren't born knowing how to hunt. Ancient man still had to teach their children how to hunt and what to gather, a child isn't born knowing what a berry is and what a piece of grass is.

Animals are born instinctively knowing what food is, and what threats are. Humans are not. Though, this is getting quite off topic, so I suppose I won't keep clogging the thread discussing it. Appreciate your.. input. :)

humans are born with instincts. survive at whatever cost [be that knowing how to hunt]. Saying the least humans are adaptable, that is what humans thrive in adapting to situations which would include teaching ourselves how to hunt, knowing what food is, and what threat is. it is programmed into humans [less so now] much like it is programmed into animals. So instinctively the first human beings must have learned by eating plants/animals/etc. The reason you say a child isn't born knowing what a berry is, is due to the lifestyle we live in this day and age. [most probably] 100 million years ago we lived similar as the way wildlife animals do currently. However due to our ability to adapt at alarming rates we evolved faster than other animals.

so yea, lots of people with feedbacks but im not gonna bother to read about it since like most people, i don't care too much about the world. in this world, its all about the green, not the grass but the money. we all wanna make the money one way or another, pollution, using up the resources, killing plants/animals, if it makes money, we will do it. not everyone will do it if it's wrong, mind you, but if u are desperate enough, trust me, you will.

as far as the earth dieing anytime soon, until there's a elementary course/class/focus on pollution, saving trees, saving resources, we will never learn to do it guys. not that i know we will ever.

If by "going to hell" you mean auto-destruction, then yes, I do believe. You'd be stupid if not realised till now that the only way the Earth would be destroyed, would be through its own inhabitants.