Thread: Trading VS T-I

I will just say that I have never traded an invite or never thougt of it. I neither buyed any invites. I will never pay for an invite for a tracker, i think torrents should be free. This is just thoughts i had.

English is not my first language as you see, so please just read with goodwill and i think you will understand what i am saying :)

Atleast almost everybody here says that trading invites is wrong. Well I have heard that trading or selling invites is not correct, because when you exchange invites or sell them you don't know what the buyer/trader will do to your account. People say this destroys tracker communites.

Well i am not saying that i don't agree with this thougts, but let us see what T-I actually does. Example: You are new to torrenting and you just got repped in to T-I. You have to start at low level trackers and gain your respect and get good ratios then move to higher level trackers. When you show your good ratio proofs you get an invite for a tracker you allways wanted like TL. You are happy and you must give iGiver because the sender requeried it. And TI says if the sender requires it you have to give iGiver.

Now let us see what iGiver is all about. Okey I know there are people who says iGiver is not requiered at GiveAway, but lets face it. Atleast 90% of the people say iGiver requiered. So what is that tell us? Why is iGiver required? First you have to know that iGiver was just there to hold record for invites, so admin could easly track somebody if they had to. That is what i have understood about iGiver. But let us see what iGivers has become. We know that almost everybody requires iGivers for their GiveAway, that means that iGiver is important for them, but why is it? It is because they want to get so much as iGivers they can so they can get to higher level trackers! Many, very many people says "You must have X amounts of iGivers" for their GA. That means iGiver is kind of trust, if you have many iGivers then people will trust you and give you invite if everything else is correct.

Now let us see about selling and exchanging invites. If you exchange an invite. then you do it because you need an invite from a guy and vice versa. If you exchange an invite you know that your exchanger wants your invite badly. That gives you trust about that the person will be a good member of the tracker you're giving invite for.

For example, somebody buys an invite from you for 50 dollar. Then you know that the person is paying for the invite and he wants the invite very much, Otherwise he/she wouldnt pay so much for the invite. So you know he/she will be a good member.

We know there are certain people we can trust as the admins and extalted person here at T-I. But many other people who seemed like very nice, got banned because of trading or cheating. So that means you never know who you can trust.

So the point is: Is it good for torrent trackers that we just give out 100s of invites to people we dont know just for iGivers? Lets face it, the most of invites goes to people we never talked to before. Most of people give out invites only because for exchange of iGivers. And lets not fool us self, we know its very easy to lie at the repping section just to get repped in. If you have little IQ, you will understand what you have to answer just to get repped in. So thats not anything you can trust people for.



So can anyone tell how T-I is better for private-trackers then exchanging and selling invites?

Let me tell you all again. I never exchanged or selled/buyed any invites. Neither i am thinking about doing it. Just some thougts i wanted to get out. I personally love T-I and i got my all great trackers from here. But we know that cheaters/abusers are everywhere. And has T-I less cheaters/abusers here then exchanger/seller places has? If you thinks so, tell us why?

The sad truth is we are on the internet and we can’t know everyone we invite personally. Initially private trackers were small communities – they were just places were people could get together and share, but as this form of sharing grew popular they started accommodating more members. Before you gave away these exclusive invites to people you knew only, but as the size of these trackers and the invites they gave grew, and forums to trade/exchange/give these invites started to appear. Before ‘giveaways’ too were frowned upon (and still are in quite a few trackers) since like you said – you never know the person you’ve invited.

You know the reasons why trading/selling are frowned upon – it’s selfish and motivated by profit for the exchanger/seller. Also if trading and selling invites/accounts were allowed in trackers or a forum like TI, people would get into private trackers not just to use them, but collect them and make a profit. What would stop these people from getting seed boxes, buffering up their accounts and generating invites or trading and selling these buffered accounts? The purpose transcends the basic reasons these communities here are for – to share.

Cheaters/abusers are everywhere unfortunately. TI definitely has lesser cheaters/abusers than other open trade/invite forums because of our tough screening and ever vigilant mods and admins and loyal members who care a lot about the spirit of torrenting. Nullifying the number of cheaters/abusers is impossible, but at least we set a bar here.

The reason TI is better for private trackers is simple -

TI is very influential, especially to people new to private torrenting (who are many, just as I was when I joined TI) and has also changed the views of many members who were into trading before.

Yes there have been members in the trusted section – even some members whom we’ve known well who’ve scammed and cheated. Yes, people clever enough can lie their way through. Hence, this makes the practice of giveaways ideal - it is the best way to go about increasing the user base.

Giveaways are acceptable because they are the bare minimum and the best that can be done to invite members. There is no selfish or profit motive - and it is what the private trackers themselves do. When trackers have open sign ups – they are giveaways done by the trackers. When trackers have interviews on the IRCs or application forms to be filled to join a tracker – it’s a giveaway. The policy is same in TI. Like I said before due to the burgeoning of private trackers, to have active members even they can’t telepathically see who’s potentially a good member – so they screen applicants and giveaway invites to their community. TI employs the same concept – but it’s a hub for many trackers, not just one.

Most of people give out invites only because for exchange of iGivers.

This 'exchange' (I'll humour you and use this term) is a necessity in some cases, but not always. Quite often if you are active here and know the inviter, and he or she have already developed a bond of trust then even this isn't required. But again, you can't know everyone around so the best you can do is look at their records. And it isn't the same 'exchange' as a 'bitme invite' for 'a GFT'! It's based on a system where you need to give before you take back, which isn't at all bad in my opinion.

I am really tired to say a lot but all i'll say is that, the inviter should only give out their invites to members they talk a lot. If a member wants to give out invites just to receive an igiver then let them go ahead but if they are want to receive igivers and invite people they trust then they should give their invites away to people they have spoken/speak to. For example there are a couple of members here i would give out my invites to and not feel worried if they will do something to jeopardize my account.

well said akillza

i have pointed that out before that there is too much stress on igiver. would like to see the community being changed and stress community first, invites 2nd instead of the other way around. but in all fairness this would require a entire makeover in terms of rules and all and it would prove to be extremely difficult.

wel said eschaton i'm out of thx buttons but ill do it tomorrow. You are right about the fact that it should indicate that you are also giving back but thats not how its working unfortunately.

I have never given away invites just to boost my iGiver count. Thats why we are asking some requirements ( number of iGivers, Rep points, etc ) in order to deliver the invite to the best suitable person.

iGiver has a function to evaluate the members for their level of sharing. When I see someone with 100 iGivers, I just think that the member loves sharing and helps people to join the new trackers. It is not a member of exchanging but a reflection of sharing.

Giving invite just to the people we talk a lot or know well would just be unfair to the new ones and would just make a blockage to the big wave of new comers. We should not forget that those invites or iGivers make a bond between users, create friendships. The torrenting community need that.

I think it is true that on TI we are sort of trading invites just with iGiver in between, if you are a VIP you are really buying invites as you get access to a forum which has GAs.

It's just more indirect with TI with more checking for cheaters etc, so is better.

Originally Posted by Moo

I think it is true that on TI we are sort of trading invites just with iGiver in between, if you are a VIP you are really buying invites as you get access to a forum which has GAs.

It's just more indirect with TI with more checking for cheaters etc, so is better.

yes BUT more CREATING TRUST than trading...
more like: I give what I have and I hope one day I will get what i'm searching for.
But by giving i put thrust into people and i hope they will trust me in return
The stuff about igiver could be right aldo i think it isn't that much asked in GA's
(aldo I couldn't give yet ;) just for the record)

Hi akillza,
I understand you and what you're trying to say to us.
I don't know how long have you been a member of T-I,but I am for over an year now and can tell you the diffrence between the old and the new T-I.And I'll let you decide how T-I is better for the private trackers than exchanging,trading and selling invites.

Till March or April last year(can't really remember) there was a trading forum here.We had a giveaway forum,but also a trading one.I personally never even thought of posting in the trading forum and exchange invites.Some guys made giveaways for gaining Igivers and after that tried to trade in the trading forum.After it was closed and removed, these guys decided to move on and found their place at the many trading forums probably.Very few stayed and they are no longer active,as far as I can see.I am not sure, but very few people who traded in the past(not just here,but over the whole web) changed their mind and heart and have become antitraders or let's say it this way - honest and good people.

Since then,when schuwe had become supermod things changed for good.Little by little we had some GFT,SCT,SCC,..... giveaways here(in the past that was not the case); we have so many great mods and admins now and they made and are making the forum a better place every single day; the community have become stronger and now you can learn a lot by just being a member here; not only in terms of the bittorrent world ,but in general too.

My point on trading is this, that it depends on what type of person you are.If you don't like and most importantly DON"T respect the rules set by us here, by the private trackers, the rules set by your parents, the society,... you'll eventually break them one day and will not care one little bit.I personally don't like and disagree with some of the rules set by our society,the private trackers,but I understand why they have to put some kind of rules into place, I follow them and respect them.Cause otherweise this will turn into anarchy.

To put some light into this I will say,that in the past I had a similar conversation with a felllow T-I member,who said that he had never traded,exchanged invites and always followed the rules here and elsewhere(I can't confirm that,lol),but at least he said so.

But,but he thought,that giving donations to the private tarckers, the Igivers for the invites here at T-I, buying yourself a drink or something to eat in real life - this is all trading.You give and you recieve.Ok it's true.

About our society, the money were invented a long time ago and you buy yourself a house,car,even water with money.Yes, the money corrupted many people in the past,present and will continue to do so in the future.But there are and will always be honest people, who despite all this will always value the friendship,family,love,respect,honour far more than the money.Yes, I wish we live on Pandora and we are the na'vi and we live in piece and harmony with the mother nature.But we are not.Look how far our greed,all our weak points brought us.I dream for a better world and we will hopefully see,that the direction we are heading will eventually be our downfall.So we have this world right now and we have to make it a better place and try to live a normal and honest life if possible.

This is what I am saying.Trading shows how weak we are.You want to give something away ,but only if you recieve something in return.Understand that watching how you seed back your torrents and this way many other people download the movie they wanted, makes you happy; giving invite to a person,who really wants to be a member of the tracker A and will use it to its full potential.Sharing means caring,means love.If we understand the meaning of the word "LOVE" - it's to love and care about someone,who doesn't care about you.Just help the ones in need and you will feel better and happy for a slim moment, but never the less happy.

This forum made me a better person and I hope it applies for all of you too.

The Igivers are to keep track, who have shared more love, there are people, who do this only to recieve their so wanted invite later,but there are not the majority and you can clearly see that and will know who to trust and who not.It shows from your post,if you hang in the irc what type of a person you are and if you're honest,respect the rules and will like to share even some of your free time with us, it's something you should be proud of.

Eventually you will recieve all you're looking for - just be patient,do not fall in for the easy way,be strong and you'll be rewarded.If you think again, tracker invites doesn't mean so much in the end, it's the people,friends you made here and the strangers you made happy, even though you'll probably never gonna meet them in real life.

Do you still think trading is good and we do all this cause of selfish needs?Open your heart and believe that T-I is better than trading invites.

Sorry if I got carried away,but I think it's all connected.
Jekata out!

Hey Jeketa.

I didn't know about TI and that they had trade section before, it was nice info. You did write well and got me to think twice about the subject.


You wrote about trading and that your against it. But here you say that iGivers works like trading like we act in real life too. I aggree with you, but i didn't understand your opinion about iGivers. Because before you said this is the best we could do here at TI. I did read about that you are saying that we live in an unperfect world and that we are doing our best at TI to avoid trading. But i think iGivers works like trading here at TI. And it seems like you said something like that too.

Originally Posted by Jekata

But,but he thought,that giving donations to the private tarckers, the Igivers for the invites here at T-I, buying yourself a drink or something to eat in real life - this is all trading.You give and you recieve.Ok it's true.

So you do actually admin that TI works like trading system wtih iGivers?

Originally Posted by Jekata

The Igivers are to keep track, who have shared more love, there are people, who do this only to recieve their so wanted invite later,but there are not the majority and you can clearly see that and will know who to trust and who not.

Jeketa, you can not honestly belive that the majoroty of people at TI does GA's just for sharing?

This is what i think. The admins and moderators at TI seems like mature and good peoples, so i think they are trustable. And i think Exalted people are more trustfull then VIP's. Because Exalted people did earn their respsect, but VIP's bought their respect. They can be people who wants a rank to get invites. No offence to VIP's many of them are great people and, they are running TI with their money. But thats another point from me that this just work as trading. Private trackers gives VIP's more "power" so can download as much as they want without seeding back and etc. And what you think VIP's rank is most helpull for here in at TI, getting invites?

You exalted and moderators are not majority of people, you are few. And many ordinary people with no ranks are great people too. But you cannot say that the most people are here for sharing? I will say that the most people are here for getting invites and they share so much they have to, so they can get their dream trackers.

Many people gets banned, and i think the most people who don't get banned are playin smart so they can cheat and scam without anyone can know.

Originally Posted by Jekata

Eventually you will recieve all you're looking for - just be patient,do not fall in for the easy way,be strong and you'll be rewarded.If you think again, tracker invites doesn't mean so much in the end, it's the people,friends you made here and the strangers you made happy, even though you'll probably never gonna meet them in real life.

Ya again, people like that are very few here. TI is actually about invites for almost all people, trading or sharing, thats the question.

Originally Posted by Jekata

Do you still think trading is good and we do all this cause of selfish needs?Open your heart and believe that T-I is better than trading invites.

Eschaton, had opinios like this too. You two yet think that most of the people are here for that?