Thread: Trading VS T-I

Originally Posted by akillza

This is what i think. The admins and moderators at TI seems like mature and good peoples, so i think they are trustable. And i think Exalted people are more trustfull then VIP's. Because Exalted people did earn their respsect, but VIP's bought their respect. They can be people who wants a rank to get invites. No offence to VIP's many of them are great people and, they are running TI with their money. But thats another point from me that this just work as trading. Private trackers gives VIP's more "power" so can download as much as they want without seeding back and etc. And what you think VIP's rank is most helpull for here in at TI, getting invites?

I fully agree with this. I don't believe most of the VIPs here donated to T-I to keep it running, but merely to see what's behind the VIP GA door. Most VIPs aren't literally 'VIPs" here, they're just donors!

Why are you looking the glass from the empty side? ( I am not sure if there is an expression like this in English ) Buying the respect is a harsh word. There are many VIPs gained their status by being a MOTM and I can sound naive but I really do believe that many people donated, and will donate not for their own sake but for the sake of the forum.

Hey Jeketa

When i read your posts i see that you are talking with your heart, and the truth. That you love T-I and see what good it has done. Well i agree T-I in theory is great site and helped many good peoples like you. Well all extalted people seems like very inteligent people with their 100% heart and trust for T-I. I have seen how much you guys do work in here with GA's, intro section, irc and etc. That shows that T-I is trying to work as angels and they have many good persons to help them like extalted people and moderators and some VIP's. Thats the good site of T-I, its seems like a perfect site for you, right?

You have been chosen as a trusted person by this site, but you gotta see the reality. You said
"hen you'll see the better part of T-I"
So you agree that T-I isnt perfect? Could you tell us the bad parts of T-I you know? That would really show that you are not blind as because you are a "chosen" one from this site as exalted.

Trading/selling IS selfish, but when you do sell/trade it means that you want a tracker really bad. Because you have paid for it. But i understand that you shouldnt sell because invite should be free and thats what trackers wants. So its not good for trackers. But the buyer atleast wanted the invite and he will probably use his money wisely and be a good member at the tracker. But here at T-I many people are giving invites to people they never talked to, And they are the majority. And when people get free invites they probably not care so much about the tracker. The inviter just gave all his invites away to unknown people because of iGivers, and now are many idiots getting banned from trackers. How do you see this at less selfish then trading/selling, and is not T-I getting more problems for trackers?

You said "The point is, do not start a negative topic and try to convince us that there are bad people in here and the good and trusted people are minority."

And you said "Forget about all bad things you see here and in real life and try to focus on all good things you saw and see,memories you have and just enjoy youself."

Thi is not meant as a negative topic, i just wanted to say what i thougt about T-I, and wanted to hear you all peoples opinions. But this shows that you cant take any criticism about T-I, and you wont open your eyes. We cannot look away from all things that is bad here or irl, I aggree that you should not get depressed over it but open your eyes and do something about it.

How many percent of people you really think that comes to T-I and just wants to get invites and not share, and never changes their mind about trading?

This is ALL about percents, to se how good T-I is for trackers. And what iGivers are doing.



Reducto: I am not talking about all VIP's, i have seen you around and know that your good guy.


Please don't take anything of this as offence.

Hi akillza,
probably my last reply here.

I see your point,but why do you continue to try and convince us, that most of the memebrs here are just for the invites.Yes,we are all here for that,but there is a lot more into it.You are also for the invites here and if you don't believe, that T-I is far more than that, so I assume you are one of these bad users,who only wants to recieve or give invites only to get something back in return,right?

BTW I see in your signature:
If you found this post usefull then please give

that if somebody finds your post useful, to give you thanks!Ask yourself a question why haven't I put something like this in my signature and why have you?

I can take criticism, actually I am not the owner of the forum,neither part of the staff - just a regular user more or less like you.What I was trying to say is think positive and don't say that T-I ,the Igiver system or anything else is like trading,cause it's not.At least for me it's not.T-I like everything else is not perfect, but is far better than it was before and is getting better by the day thanks to our staff and all the regular members as well.The forum will probably never gonna be perfect,but saying all this about our normal users,Vips,etc.... is not very nice mate.

We all give our best to make this forum a better place and banning all these people actually means that our staff is doing their job just fine finding these scammers,traders,etc...BTW you see,that many regular users are working in the intro section,the chopping block and this is a lot of work my friend + we all have real life issues,so telling me or our staff to open their eyes and do something about the bad users is not very nice to say again.

If you want to help the forum - work in the intro section,help us find these bad users.....,we will appreciate it.

EDIT: I said my opinion and tried it not in the way of question - answer,but more like some philosophical approach.You ask qquestion nad want us to answer them.I am not the person ,who have to do that and quite frankly I said all I had to say.

If you're not convinced why T-I is better than trading, I can't make you believe it,probably a diffrent member will post here and answer these question.
BTW why do you want to know all this and why T-I is better for the tracker than trading invites?

I said, we all here give our best,but I can't guarantee ,that all members are honest and trustable,cause they are not.We could of become an elite forum with irc interview and invite only forum, but Dave and Ethicks want to T-I to be open for more new people,so that they can join their dream tracker.It's their opinion and we all should respect that.Probably they or our staff have to answer our question, not me.

Our staff have banned probably almost all not so experienced cheaters,scammers, but there
are many others who know how to achieve their goal and are smart.We try our best,but it seems it's not enough for you.

And in your second to last post you say, that trading-selling invites is bad and the trackers want their invites to be given for free.But the person,who have paid for the invite wants it so badly,that he will probably be a better member than a randomly chosen one, who you give the invite for free - I would say not really.Cause I or somebody else doesn't try to trade their way in some trackers,doesn't mean we don't want even more than these traders to join the particular tracker and we will be good users of it,I can ensure you of that.But we try to earn or recieve an invite in a honest way and with patience.And I can ensure you,that these who buy-trade invites are the majority collectors and will not use the tracker to its full potential.

I don't like the direction this thread is heading,so this is most certainly my last post.I've said all I had to say.

One last thing - by saying I know what's underneath T-I I meant, I see T-I in a diffrent way than you do and feel the love of its members.And that's enough for me.Try to look beneath the obvious and you'll see wonderful things(that applies for real life situations too).

T-I is love, share it and don't question it!
Jekata out!

Just to inform you i edited the post after you replied , so you maybe wanna check that so you know what i am talking about because i wrote something more after that about trading/selling invites.

I knew you would say about the signature, but i didn't remove because of it. And yes i am trying to get up in the "ranking" system and wanted to get rep.
And yes i came here to get all my trackers, i have them all now. Maybe i will see more good trackers by the time, but i have all the trackers i wanted. And i didnt give much back, but some invites and some upload credits. I didnt need the invites anyway so i gave them away, and yes i gave the credits to boost my igivers.

I know you are not owner of the site, but you are much more then ordinary user. You know whats "underneath" T-I. Ordinary users like me dont know that

If you dont agree after the edit and everything, then we two have well said everything we wanted to eachother. But it would be great if you could answer the questions at yellow typing at my last post.

Well you edited so i will edit again: I said i know you guys are doing much work at intro section and etc. And i said not all Vips.

Even staff is doin good work, but i think the system is wrong and i say something about it, then i am offensive?

It would be nice if you could answer theese question at my last post:

How many percent of people you really think that comes to T-I and just wants to get invites and not share, and never changes their mind about trading?

This is ALL about percents, to se how good T-I is for trackers. And what iGivers are doing.

Originally Posted by akillza

Because Exalted people did earn their respsect, but VIP's bought their respect. They can be people who wants a rank to get invites. No offence to VIP's many of them are great people and, they are running TI with their money. But thats another point from me that this just work as trading. Private trackers gives VIP's more "power" so can download as much as they want without seeding back and etc. And what you think VIP's rank is most helpull for here in at TI, getting invites?

Forums and private trackers need money to survive - and people who donate money deserve something special. Even VIPs who are new to the forum only get access to the trusted and VIP sections - they're definitely scrutinized before given invites to higher level trackers; they aren't blindly given. There are many members who've been here for long, and decided they enjoy this community and then donated. There are also members who donate as soon as they join - like you said it would be because they want to get access to sections to procure higher/hard to get invites - but donating also makes you responsible - no person in their right mind would give away hard earned money just to do something stupid and get thrown out of here. VIPs don't have exemptions when it comes to the ban hammer!

Originally Posted by akillza

Eschaton, had opinios like this too. You two yet think that most of the people are here for that?

Everyone joins to get invites; it is an invite community after all. So did I. I'm pretty much in all the trackers I want. There are a couple I want to get in to but I don't have the speeds to sustain, so I haven't bothered applying and won't. In the past four - five months I would have applied for in maybe a couple of invite GAs, in the past couple of months none if memory serves right. So there isn't a reason for me to stay on right? If I'm here it's because I enjoy the company I'm in and I'd like to share the few invites I have with them. And I consider it a privilege to be a long standing member in a community of like minded peers from all over the globe - TI is truly a world stage with members from each and every damn continent in the world! And if you look you'll find a lot of members who think the same.

P.S. - Hell, the amount of information and compelling arguments the 'Brain Stew' section alone throws at you is worth being here for.

How many percent of people you really think that comes to T-I and just wants to get invites and not share, and never changes their mind about trading?

I'd say none - IF they stay here for a few months and are active. There are a lot of misguided noobs here, I'll give you that. But there's something special about TI that grows on you.