Thread: Opinions about the war in Iraq.

I think that we should get out of Iraq because we've been over there for four years and that is definitely long enough. People get killed over there every day, not just Iraqi citizens but American troops! There's roadside, car and suicide bombings on every block it seems. When President Bush decided to deploy about 20,000 more troops overseas I thought that was totally uncalled for. We already have enough U.S. troops over there. What I'm trying to say is that I don't think being over there for four whole years is such a good idea.So I wish that they would all come home and let Iraq sort out their problems on their own with their government, their president (leader) and their people. This is a war that will never end imo, these people were born to fight with each other,they have different values and different ways in life that are completely different to ours. Their religious beliefs are so powerful they will take their own lives to kill our people and troops. Imo we have no chance of conquering Iraq and their religious beliefs.
I don't have friends or relatives in Iraq but i know there's a lot of you guys out there that do. We are killing off our young adults, and accomplishing nothing except creating more violence by fighting back against Iraq.
President Bush thought that there were weapons of mass destruction there, we invaded Iraq and looked but nothing came up. Do we really need as many soldiers as we have over there? I think that rather than increase the amount of soldiers, we should decrease.
How much money have we put in to this war?,how many lives are we losing daily? where will it get us in the end? There will always be taliban followers and they exist all over the world,is this something that can be controlled? i think not!!!
I understand we all have different opinions about this so please,no attacks!! all i want is your thoughts and opinions.

T-Pirate.

Originally Posted by T-Pirate

...Their religious beliefs are so powerful they will take their own lives to kill our people and troops...

This is an unfair generalization towards the Muslim religion. The Islamic religion is a beautiful one, built on peace and love. The men that will commit suicide and murder in the name of Allah are not the moral majority - they are but a small faction of religious nutjobs who have misunderstood their own set of beliefs.

As for pulling out of Iraq, I am not sure what to think. Perhaps if I understood why we are actually there, then I might have a better understanding of why we haven't yet left. It's my understanding that my government believes we need to force reform on them (ala Vietnam) in order to protect our own future. Is this actually true? Does it have more to do with oil prices than anything?

Originally Posted by JustJenna

This is an unfair generalization towards the Muslim religion. The Islamic religion is a beautiful one, built on peace and love. The men that will commit suicide and murder in the name of Allah are not the moral majority - they are but a small faction of religious nutjobs who have misunderstood their own set of beliefs.

As for pulling out of Iraq, I am not sure what to think. Perhaps if I understood why we are actually there, then I might have a better understanding of why we haven't yet left. It's my understanding that my government believes we need to force reform on them (ala Vietnam) in order to protect our own future. Is this actually true? Does it have more to do with oil prices than anything?

As much as i like you Jenna,i have to disagree!!! The Muslims are a very controlled set of people with strong religious values, they follow leaders ie bin laden, they do whatever is ordered!!! Look at 9/11,all ordered by bin laden and to terminate their own lives. In regards to Vietnam,well... just another never ending massacre!!! ring any bells??? I absolutely do not believe that the taliban is a small fraction of the war that we are in. The taliban are educating 9 year olds how to shoot to kill our soldiers.

Originally Posted by JustJenna

This is an unfair generalization towards the Muslim religion. The Islamic religion is a beautiful one, built on peace and love. The men that will commit suicide and murder in the name of Allah are not the moral majority - they are but a small faction of religious nutjobs who have misunderstood their own set of beliefs.

Jenna this i find very true and honest of you to say, increases my respect towards you even more for your insightful vision.

Considering that i am both a Muslim and an Iraqi this is particularly interesting. I can go on and on and on about this topic with never ending responses though evenly it will end up as a flame war imo. I will start off with abit and add more possibly later or as this thread progresses.

First off the terrorists in Iraq or in the entire middle east represent a minority of what the true Muslims are. In Islam it is know to be a bad thing to commit suicide, let alone take hundreds of people along with you. True muslims know this. Though there are a minority of people that spoil it for the rest like in every culture, country or religion. Though the Arab world is not as it is depicted to you via the media, its not all about war, terrorist, savage people, who hate the world and America. This is what the media feeds you with and manipulates you into thinking about the Arabs. Its not only that which they manipulate you with it is much more including your daily lives ranging from fashion, to looks, what to eat, relationships, sex, cars, house, etc are just a few to name. In the Arab world it is like every other place on earth, in my country Iraq there is harmony in some areas and in the past before the world began harmony existed. There was no such thing as Terrorism in my country until After it was invaded, later Terrorism arose and it began. Before that we had a tyrant who thought he was God and that was our only problem i think.

Originally Posted by T-Pirate

As much as i love you Jenna,i have to disagree!!! The Muslims are a very controlled set of people with strong religious values, they follow leaders ie bin laden, they do whatever is ordered!!! Look at 9/11,all ordered by bin laden and to terminate their own lives. In regards to Vietnam,well... just another never ending massacre!!! ring any bells??? I absolutely do not believe that the taliban is a small fraction of the war that we are in. The taliban are educating 9 year olds how to shoot to kill our soldiers.

I find that comment a little disturbing, but hence reinforces my ideas about the media showing you what they want you to see and making you believe the things they want you to believe. Muslims and the pure of heart Muslims don't follow Bin laden, we follow and believe in the one and only God and his prophets. We hate Bin Laden just as much as you do and even more, or i shouldn't say hate ill say dislike him. we dislike him more than you because he is affecting our image not your image.
As for the 9/11 thing, i still to this day believe that it were a big hoax, as a matter of fact i think Osama Bin Laden is a hoax used by the USA to make the Arab world seem bad and hence allow the US to use the excuse of fear from terrorist to invade Arabic countries for the oil they possess and other wealth, etc. Have you ever heard of "operation false flag" or "Tim Osman". Google them if you are interested. Tim Osman is the CIA codename for Osama Bin Laden. Though im not going into too much dept about that matter or infact how did i get to here from the war in Iraq i can't remember but it relates in some way.

You see the media doesn't show you the good side of the Arab world all they show you is what they want you to see and interpret as the truth. What objective would they achieve out of showing you the good side to the Arab world, in what way it that beneficial to them. Showing the bad side on the other hand, allows the excuses such as "fear of terrorism" to allow them to invade Arab countries and occupy them. Go there, cause destruction in the country and run away with all the money is how i see it.

Please no one take any offense to what i have written as it is my opinion. Feel free to come back with something to say as long as its logical, i don't mind as it would be great as this is the place where we discuss universal issues not argue.

Arabs don't have any problems with the American people or rest of the world as a matter of speaking, i think our problem is with the Government body of the US not the people. Some of the greatest people i have met happen to be American and we get along just fine with no troubles between use.

Also i agree get the America troops out of Iraq, they already accomplished their mission which was to see if Iraq had any nuclear weapons (excuse to invade Iraq), since we don't, i think it is in the best interest of Iraq and the US if they leave. The problem now lies within the country with the terrorists which has to be fixed. All i can say is America did us a great favor when taking out Saddam Hussein.

I say stay there untill the new government can take control. If you start something you better finish it. it would have been all for nothing if they left now and a new retard comes in and screws everything up.

In the mean time making some friends wouldn't hurt the states as well. Invading Iraq with the disapproval of many other countries. What do you expect of course it would get bumpy. Would have been allot different if the states went in with support from all over the world.

Majid and Jenna,i wasn't speaking for all Muslims!. I was talking about the taliban and the Iraqi soldiers we are at war with. The thread is about opinions of our soldiers in Iraq, My opinion is that this is war we will never win.

I don't like being in Iraq, I didn't support going there in the first place. Bush's excuse of WMD just seemed too damned convenient to me.

But we went. And we totally destroyed the Iraqi government. And now we want to say "oops, we screwed up and made a mistake, sorry, we're going home now." What's going to happen to the average Iraqi citizens when we trot off and leave them without a functioning government? That's the only reason I see for continuing to stay in Iraq.

Get the Iraqi people a legitimate government, get it functioning, then get the hell out of there. That's my feelings on the whole situation. And yes I know I'm naive about this and am certainly not nearly as well informed as I should be.

Originally Posted by JustJenna

This is an unfair generalization towards the Muslim religion. The Islamic religion is a beautiful one, built on peace and love. The men that will commit suicide and murder in the name of Allah are not the moral majority - they are but a small faction of religious nutjobs who have misunderstood their own set of beliefs.

my country is the worst hit of this so called terrorism , really dont know why they are doing this , now i am pretty much conscious when i see any muslim guy, i know thats not fair to generalize this thing to all muslims but we have developed a kind of inherited fear in ourselves

Im not american, therefore I can only speak for what I see from the sidelines... My opinion is that americans/NATO have no reason to be there in the first place other than to keep all the oil, . I believe this pitiful war has nothing to do with freedom or security, its just an excuse to take by force natural resources that do not belong to them.

I found this very interesting:

YouTube - Inside Story - Iraqi Oil for sale - 29 June 09

It was funny that I saw the movie Avatar not so long ago and the script felt familiar only that the sky people are Nato and the Na'Vi are the Irakis.

Just take the oil and leave the people alone, its enough with taking their main trading coin away from them, you also want to make business with weapons and destruction/reconstruction. Its inhumane.