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    Trump has been utilizing Nixon's Madman Theory to defeat his political rivals, succumb the GOP, and to win the presidency.

    He keeps using extreme tactics to keep people guessing and it means that he calculates what he says. He says what needs to say to win and then he flip flops.




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    I just want to make a quick point - this country of America has had a long and interesting lineage of Presidents - some good, some bad. One of the most famous, George Washington, had no political aspirations or experience and was elected to the Presidency because of his service and standing. Lincoln suffered from depression and a very up and down political career. Ulysses S Grant was a known alcoholic who flooded the cabinet with his cronies and was a terrible President. Kennedy arose from a family of corrupt bootleggers turned career politicians, Jimmy Carter was a brilliant humanitarian but terrible leader, and so on and so on. In fact, we're batting around .300 as far as Presidents go (probably too kind). My point being is that political experience and background do not always make or break a presidency. Look at Obama - he might have been a good president if only they had given him time to mature and "ripen" in the legislature.

    Will Trump be good for America? Time will tell. But any American who wishes failure on him is cutting off their nose to spite their face. He's the main in the Oval Office now and we need to get behind him.. not as Trump, but as the President of the United States. That doesn't mean supporting his policies out of hand, but it does mean we (as a country) need to stop running around like Chicken Little and focus on the tasks at hand. And even if you DO believe the sky is falling, don't just run around yelling and complaining about it - figure out a way to fix it, or at least protect your fellow man from the falling pieces. America has some serious problems and no one has proof positive of the answers (certainly not the last administration). I for one hope that Trump surprises everyone with an enlightened and effective presidency.

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    "Not as Trump but as president" - are you saying everyone should bow down just because of the title he now holds and that YOU the American public that put him in office should just blindly trust and agree with him because he is president? Think you need to get your head out of the sand - Trump has already demonstrated his poor leadership - don't need to wait for even more to come to know he is a poor choice ! just check his twitter feeds- nuff said here :)
    I'm not an American but to be somewhat controversial - for as long as I can remember no one has liked Americans and now I think that the tide has turned - Americans are figuring out that internally they don't like Americans either

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOLDIE View Post
    "Not as Trump but as president" - are you saying everyone should bow down just because of the title he now holds and that YOU the American public that put him in office should just blindly trust and agree with him because he is president? Think you need to get your head out of the sand - Trump has already demonstrated his poor leadership - don't need to wait for even more to come to know he is a poor choice ! just check his twitter feeds- nuff said here :)
    I'm not an American but to be somewhat controversial - for as long as I can remember no one has liked Americans and now I think that the tide has turned - Americans are figuring out that internally they don't like Americans either
    Hi Goldie,
    I'm not sure you gathered my meaning fully (or read through to the end of my post) - immediately after my statement of "not as Trump but as President" I go on to say specifically that we should not bow down or follow blindly and such that you wrote. People should never follow any leader blindly. A big part of the foul up of the last 8 years here was precisely due to Americans burying their head in the sand; they had elected Obama and he was just not allowed to fail. I've had many discussions with Obama supporters and it often boils down to their HOPE in his presidency outweighing the facts of his presidency. People wanted him to succeed so badly that many were not able to take an objective view of the circumstances. Speaking as someone who has voted for Presidents from BOTH sides of the aisle (that's both parties to non-Americans) I like to think that my view is more objective than most - at least more objective than the ones screaming the loudest.

    As for your no one has liked Americans comment - I have to admit we've done a good job of annoying the rest of the world for many reasons which I won't go into now. However, this was not always the case. There was a time when America was revered as a bastion of hope and democracy and justice. A place of second chances. America's foreign policy is certainly to blame and you can probably start to chart the slide of America's popularity around the 1950s/1960s.

    We're a young country and bound to make mistakes - in many ways we are like teenagers on the geopolitical scene - teenagers who are a bit spoiled unfortunately. But we've done good.. lots of good.. for a lot of people. We were the destination of choice for the Irish during their terrible famine. The Jews during the Nazi's reign. And pretty much every other nationality at one time or another. During the 80s Japanese culture went through a turmoil of Western (read American) fandom. I could go on and on. My own lineage traces back to Italians who were escaping fascism and Yugoslavians escaping Communism. America is an awesome country but we need to fix the way we do business. Maybe the new President will lead us in that direction. Maybe not. But we certainly weren't headed there under the last President so I'm hopeful.

    Cheers,
    MBR

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