Thread: Christianity, Islam and Judaism ??

I've read the bible, quran, and buddhist books and stuck with Buddhism. Personally I think the right religion is one that makes you happy while you are alive. Death is a mystery.

Originally Posted by awesomeo3000

I've read the bible, quran, and buddhist books and stuck with Buddhism. Personally I think the right religion is one that makes you happy while you are alive. Death is a mystery.

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Originally Posted by glowingly

There is no question that there are societal problems in the west, and in my personal opinion, the fundamentalist loonies in control of the republican party would like to seriously take away a lot of the rights currently afforded to women (who have equal rights, but it seems like they may not be equal for long). However, it is difficult for you to convince me that women are given much respect in much of the arab world (not necessarily islamic world, because I don't think the same issues exist in places like Indonesia). THings *might* be changing in KSA, but it is so recent a phenomenon that I don't think it has actually happened. yet.

IN any event, my real purpose in responding is to say that all sorts of scientific knowledge existed at least 800 years before Islam. Much was forgotten due to idiots like Aristotle and then the Christian Church (who thought quite highly of Aristotle). Some of the ancient postulated about the atomic structure of matter, that the earth was a sphere that circles the sun and much more. Islam (and more likely, the Arabs that existed before Islam) were certainly scientifically literate - much more than anyone left in Europe during the middle ages. They knew much of this literature because they translated it to arabic. I am no scholar of the history of science, but I am pretty sure of my facts (though maybe not the dates).

As I said, I do not need to call upon a deity to address these questions. The simple answer is that they already had some scientific knowledge and tradition (soon lost after the Qu'ran was written, I believe). They also made some good guesses that you happen to use as evidence. I assume there are some pretty bad guesses as well, but you aren't talking about them.

where is the evidence that support your theory about (that all sorts of scientific knowledge existed at least 800 years before Islam) , if nuclear wars started now


between humans in everywhere on earth , and all scientific knowledge was lost , I am 100% sure that there will be evidence remaining that reflect the scientific


Achievement humans reached before wars ( telescopes - microscopes - measuring tools - cars - ships - rocket - tanks - buildings - and so on


.................................................. ......etc) , where are the evidence that support your


clams ? ( and do not till me some one hide all evidence , this is absurd and not likely ,


and even if this happen there must be some remaining evidence , even if some one hide it all ) .

Originally Posted by crates

No offense taken superman786. This is meant as an intellectual discussion and I am assuming that we are all treating it as such.

Let me ask one question.....is all of Islam homogenous? By this I mean do Shi'a, Sunni etc etc interpret the hadith in the same manner? My understanding is no. Whilst the fundamentals are common, some interpretations are different (divorce for example). Then which one is right? And let's not even raise the confusion of Druze interpretation of the scriptures (frankly no-one outside of the Druze know).

If one is true then the others must be false.........that is the original premise in the OP, Islam is true hence all other religions are false and it is proven by science. Now if i surf over to clarifyingchristianity.com I am inundated with pages of Christian science fact......trouble is which one is right??? Who do I believe???

mate coming to shia sunni conflict, its another topic, mostly they do interpret the hadith in the same way, there are differences but you can see them only if you are a muslim. second there are many scientific proven errors in bible. although somethings are right in it. but still answer this question:

Who would have told all of those scientific facts 1400 years ago?

Originally Posted by superman786

mate coming to shia sunni conflict, its another topic, mostly they do interpret the hadith in the same way, there are differences but you can see them only if you are a muslim.

And therein lays our problem statement. If one is true then it must be whole (ie no differences) for how can it be true if it can be interpreted differently........this is also true of Christianity and Judaism so it is consistent across Abrahamic religions. When you introduce interpretation by man into the equation then you introduce a variable - different people will interpret things differently. Try explaining the color red to a blind person..........everyone will explain it differently.

Originally Posted by superman786

Who would have told all of those scientific facts 1400 years ago?

Here is an excerpt from Leviticus (third book in the Torah and Pentateuch) and was written prior to 300BC (ie before Alexander the Great). The below passage can also be interpreted to show how vital the circulation process in humans is (which was proven in the late 1700's). This text predates the Qur'an.

Leviticus 17:11
‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul.’

Below is an excerpt from the book of Isaiah written prior to 600BC which highlights the Earth as a sphere. Pythagoras was alive roughly around this time and postulated a round Earth. This was then followed up by Aristotle (as mentioned by glowingly). Following Hellenic science it was Eratosthenes (and for those who are interested he also created a mathematical sieve that identified Prime Numbers) that first estimated the Earth's circumference in about 200BC.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in

These two passages show that even the Bible had scientifically accurate data prior to its acceptance as proven science. So both books have "foreknowledge" of science.

THE MOTHER’S WOMB WITH ITS SECURE PROTECTIONDid We not create you from a base fluid, then place it in a secure repository for a recognised term? It is We Who determine. What an excellent Determiner! (Surat al-Mursalat, 20-23)We created man from the purest kind of clay; then made him a drop in a secure receptacle; then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators! (Surat al-Muminun, 12-14)

Now, if I read the above - "we created man from the purest clay" - well, that to me isn't exactly biologically correct.

We can spend hours, if not years, pointing out the inaccuracies in any text.......but ultimately we fall back to the same question - can we prove any of the texts wrong?

ok, my friend - here is why i find it difficult to believe. From your link it states that the Qur'an predicts the 1969 Lunar landing. Now, nowhere does it state Neil Armstrong et al will land on the Moon in 1969......it tries to convince me by saying there are 1390 verses from the Surat al Qamar to then end of the Qur'an. In the Islamic calendar 1390 = 1969 (the year of the Lunar landing). How do we know it relates to the Lunar landing - well, Qamar translates to "Moon" so of course it refers to Apollo 11.

The surat al Zumar, 5 which tells us of the Helio-centric view of the universe....look up Aristarchus or Seleuceus (i hope i spelt their names right)....both Hellenic astronomers/philosophers pre Qur'an by more than 800 years who proposed heliocentrism (thus the use of the term helio meaning Sun in Greek).

It has certainly been an educational debate but I think this is the point I bow out of the discussion and concede defeat....

Originally Posted by crates

ok, my friend - here is why i find it difficult to believe. From your link it states that the Qur'an predicts the 1969 Lunar landing. Now, nowhere does it state Neil Armstrong et al will land on the Moon in 1969......it tries to convince me by saying there are 1390 verses from the Surat al Qamar to then end of the Qur'an. In the Islamic calendar 1390 = 1969 (the year of the Lunar landing). How do we know it relates to the Lunar landing - well, Qamar translates to "Moon" so of course it refers to Apollo 11.

The surat al Zumar, 5 which tells us of the Helio-centric view of the universe....look up Aristarchus or Seleuceus (i hope i spelt their names right)....both Hellenic astronomers/philosophers pre Qur'an by more than 800 years who proposed heliocentrism (thus the use of the term helio meaning Sun in Greek).

It has certainly been an educational debate but I think this is the point I bow out of the discussion and concede defeat....

why are you navigating to issues around. ok let me accept it that it can be a coincidence but pls give the answer for the other proven scientific facts

Lol this is a bit deep and a highly sensitive topic. I don't wanna get into this because a lot of my time has been wasted arguing about religion and I just realized now that I wasted my time. Believe what you want to believe but its true that in our darkest moments, we ALL want to believe in a higher power.

And Christianity, Judaism and Islam are so similar to each. Its very possible that its all the same religion, it just evolved differently over the centuries so now it seems like its worlds apart.