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    It really depends on what you want to achieve in life. If you want to be a professional (accountant, lawyer, doctor, etc), then of course you can't afford to be without the necessary education. But if you want to go to business, from what I heard college education can in some cases turn against you. But I guess not everyone without college education can turn into the next Jobs or Gates.



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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDew View Post
    It's also one of the thing that can put you into one of the worst financial ruts you'll ever be in.

    I really like the earnings wage chart, did anyone factor in how much of the Doctorate (any) degree holders pay per month in their student loan debt?
    There are more and more professors who are currently on food stamps and welfare:

    "Ms. Bruninga-Matteau is part of an often overlooked, and growing, subgroup of Ph.D. recipients, adjunct professors, and other Americans with advanced degrees who have had to apply for food stamps or some other form of government aid since late 2007.

    "Some are struggling to pay back student loans and cover basic living expenses as they submit scores of applications for a limited pool of full-time academic positions. Others are trying to raise families or pay for their children's college expenses on the low and fluctuating pay they receive as professors off the tenure track, a group that now makes up 70 percent of faculties. Many bounce on and off unemployment or welfare during semester breaks. And some adjuncts have found themselves trying to make ends meet by waiting tables or bagging groceries alongside their students."

    Taken from: From Graduate School to Welfare - Graduate Students - The Chronicle of Higher Education

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    Quote Originally Posted by s2cuts View Post
    LOL, apparently there is a need for us to continue. So what I posted wasn't reality??? I am so utterly confused by your last post. Are you trying to say that the existing mountains of evidence which strongly and positively associate education level to well being are false?

    What are you trying to say exactly??
    You'll find out soon enough on your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicDew View Post
    You'll find out soon enough on your own.
    ??????????????????

    Great way to make your point. You really told me.

    BTW, I earned my degree some time ago. Best thing I ever did. If you don't want to go to university that's your business, but the odds will be stacked against you. That's what all the available evidence shows to be true.

    And for others considering avoiding higher education, see my previous posts on this thread (here and here) for links to indisputable evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tingao View Post
    There are more and more professors who are currently on food stamps and welfare:

    "Ms. Bruninga-Matteau is part of an often overlooked, and growing, subgroup of Ph.D. recipients, adjunct professors, and other Americans with advanced degrees who have had to apply for food stamps or some other form of government aid since late 2007.

    "Some are struggling to pay back student loans and cover basic living expenses as they submit scores of applications for a limited pool of full-time academic positions. Others are trying to raise families or pay for their children's college expenses on the low and fluctuating pay they receive as professors off the tenure track, a group that now makes up 70 percent of faculties. Many bounce on and off unemployment or welfare during semester breaks. And some adjuncts have found themselves trying to make ends meet by waiting tables or bagging groceries alongside their students."

    Taken from: From Graduate School to Welfare - Graduate Students - The Chronicle of Higher Education
    I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make with that article is. I doubt you even read the whole article. It's specifically about adjunct (part-time) professors, not the general public. However, this quote is taken from the same article:

    People who don't finish college are more likely to receive food stamps than are those who go to graduate school. The rolls of people on public assistance are dominated by people with less education.
    Last edited by s2cuts; May 21st, 2012 at 11:52 AM.
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    To be happy? No, not at all

    To have a chance of many jobs? Absolutely

    There is not a single job in my area of work (law) that would hire anyone without a college degree

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    You learn so much more in college (or university as we call it) than just what your degree entails. The friends you make in varsity are for life and also, going into the working environment with a degree in hand helps you advance up the ranks so much quicker than people without a degree. Also in this day and age, so many people have degrees and diploma's. People with just bachelors degrees are fighting for jobs. You need much more than a bachelors to get a good job now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s2cuts View Post
    ??????????????????

    Great way to make your point. You really told me.

    BTW, I earned my degree some time ago. Best thing I ever did. If you don't want to go to university that's your business, but the odds will be stacked against you. That's what all the available evidence shows to be true.
    For some people it takes a first hand experience to learn, you seemingly are one of those people. What do you want me to do? Give you a cookie and pat you on the head because you went to college?

    It's great that was the crowning point of your life, but I don't feel a need to shove my achievements in the face of others to justify them or feel adequate. Not everyone has to go to college to be successful or find a job/career.

    I'm fine with working for a wage that meets my needs. I'm not setting out to attain a fortune, I'm not some childish fool who feels he needs to attend school and join a frat house to become something in life.

    If the odds are stacked against me, that's fine I work better against opposition and tend to preform best under pressure.

    I'm not going to put myself into debt to attend schools for things I can learn for free.


    I didn't have to attend college and take out thousands of dollars in loans to become educated and knowledgeable. I didn't have to attended college to be a critical thinker, I didn't have to attended college to be happy or satisfied with myself or my life.

    Please, belt off how I'll regret it later or how I must be a person of low standards.

    I've got a life to live, rather than toil away trying to repay debt and attain some artificial, self-gratifying position of "higher education".


    If you've got issue with my lifestyle choices, well you'll just going to have to deal with it.
    Last edited by AtomicDew; May 24th, 2012 at 03:14 PM. Reason: Editing Quote Box

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    Let me summarised all the above points, views and evidence asserted. In the words of Einstein, "It's all relative". Meaning anyone can give good advice about what is effective for them, but they also have to realize that it may not prove a good advice for somebody else. Higher Education is good and beneficial for some but not all.

    After all the beauty of life is that we are all different.
    Last edited by amdboss; May 24th, 2012 at 04:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amdboss View Post
    Higher Education is good and beneficial for some but not all.
    Agreed. And lack of education is detrimental to success for most, but not for all.

    So given the choice, as it seems the thread starter was a good student, I would advise him to try Higher Education, and have a 1/100 of it not being beneficial, rather than drop college and have a 99/100 chance of it being detrimental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s2cuts View Post
    You know what they say about opinions... every asshole's got one. Your (our) opinions are worthless unless they're backed by evidence. Maybe this speaks to your education?
    you do know slagging people off because they dont agree with you is just showing how intelligent you really are im glad now i left school when i was 15 because with your higher education came ignorance unless you were like that before you went which could be the case but who am i to judge anyone by there comments im not edgumacated like you

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