Have you ever logged into deep web (deepnet, invisible web, hidden web)?

**AtomicDew** · June 16th, 2012, 08:06 PM

The public already decided on the label, it now seems apparent that you and the guy who wrote the original article are the ones who are claiming it should be redefined. That's not the public, and I'm afraid that you, or the author of the article, do not have the clout to redefine an already established term.
I urge to re-read the original article generating the comotion in this thread, and see if you can see the obvious flaws in it. This guy really has little knowledge of what he is talking about.

I'm not looking to redefine the label, just clarify it.

I see the flaws, he's either confused or deliberately trying to lump multiple things together.

As a 10 year veteran of two wars, a person who studied technology in college and teaches it everyday, I can assure you that this is not the case.

Your service is appreciated. I myself have worked with the military on several technology based projects.

This sounds like extreme layman speculation, and I'm not sure what you are trying to get at with all of your conjecture. I won't point out each claim you make and how they are wrong (mostly) in attempt to keep this on topic.

Bottom line, they don't use TOR to secure communications (is that an oxymoron? TOR doesn't really secure anything.) Some folks in the military may use it for personal reasons, but that's not the same as saying the "military" uses it. That would be like saying the military drives mustang GT's because some guy in it owns one. Most people don't even have a clue that TOR exists let a lone posses the technical prowess to get it to work, they block this kind of thing.

Tor itself may not be currently used by the military, however onion routing was a concept spearheaded by the US Naval Research Labs.

However, without any proof that Tor or any onion routing software isn't in use, a claim can't be made in that aspect either.

Washington Times piece for some consideration:

Iranians seeking to share videos and other eyewitness accounts of the demonstrations that have roiled their country since disputed elections two weeks ago are using an Internet encryption program originally developed by and for the U.S. Navy.

Designed a decade ago to secure Internet communications between U.S. ships at sea, The Onion Router, or TOR, has become one of the most important proxies in Iran for gaining access to Web sites such as Twitter, YouTube and Facebook.

Iranian protesters avoid censorship with Navy technology - Washington Times

The links you provided aren't very credible. Just because someone says something on the internet, doesn't make it true.

How do you define credible? Military Sources? Media Sources? Most would consider the EFF a fairly credible source.

I will admit, however, that it's feasible that there MAY be some obscure use of it somewhere in the military, but I have no evidence to back up this claim and therefore will not spread this conjecture as a "truth".

Would you deny the use of Gopher Protocols by the military?

I doubt there is any documented and credible sources provided by the US Military to will confirm the use of Gopher Protocols, let alone Onion Routing software.

**duckfeet** · June 17th, 2012, 02:03 AM

I agree--tails is a great way to get about in Tor, and is all one really needs. I find, however, that I need to have some bookmarks, or a file, stashed in 'the cloud' somewhere, as there is no data persistence--tail's strength, of course--but it can be kind of a pain, as Tor addresses are hard to remember, to say the least. Another great distro is liberte linux, which does has a way of keeping data that is used persistent. But after using them both, I went back to Tails. Just keep it on a handy flash drive. Before that I used a program called privatix. But I use tails now, and keep files/bookmarks and whatnot upoloaded on a site like dropbox. Another good one I like is swissdisk. It's all kind of fun...and trying to find ways to get Tor to run a little faster is also part of the fun.

Originally Posted by s2cuts

I'm not sure if anyone posted this yet, but the easiest way (and probably the best way) to start with Tor and onion sites is with a linux distribution called Tails. Tails comes fully configured with Tor enabled. It's a live CD or thumb drive OS, which means it loads on bootup without touching your hard drive. The purpose of this is so that after you reboot or shutdown your computer there's no trail of your activity on said computer. I run it out of a virtual machine for convenience.

I would recommend that you research Tor's weaknesses before getting too crazy. Start with Wikipedia. And don't forget to disable scripts from the browser!!

**s2cuts** · June 17th, 2012, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by AtomicDew

Tor itself may not be currently used by the military

Great, he concedes. Let's move on.

**AtomicDew** · June 17th, 2012, 03:40 AM

Below are PDF documents from the Naval Research Laboratories on "Tor"

http://www.nrl.navy.mil/chacs/pubs/03-1221.1-2602.pdf

http://www.nrl.navy.mil/chacs/pubs/07-1226-0904.pdf

Formal Methods: Publications

Below is a link to a website that is maintained by the Naval Research Laboratories in regards to onion routing, specifically "Tor".

Onion Routing

The link below is an archive of the NRL's test data and specifications.

http://www.onion-router.net/Archives.html

The link below is a history of development of "Onion routing" and "Tor" by not only the Naval Research labs, but the Office of Naval Research, and Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.

http://www.onion-router.net/History.html

The Digital Forensic Research Workshop documentation by US Air Force Research Lab and Syracuse University:

http://www.dfrws.org/2002/papers/Papers/Dario_Forte.pdf

Wired.com article on onion routing;

http://www.wired.com/politics/law/ne...urrentPage=all

I'm currently looking for further information in regards to military use of "Tor".

**Arcadion** · June 29th, 2012, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by only1jv

curiosity killed the cat ....

just saying

but now i'm intrigued

Originally Posted by Redux

Definately wouldn't want to be involved in this. Sounds like the classic case of curiousity killed the cat.

Though maybe what the cat found out was worth it. :P

Freenet, Tor etc. is an interesting idea, and I like the fact that it can aid in free speech, as free speech is something that is waning, even in the "western" world.
Right now though its so slow that it's just not worth it for me. I agree with people that has mentioned that it might be a great tool once the "clearnet" is totally controlled by governments or corporations.

**EliteBoxes** · July 1st, 2012, 09:28 AM

I have once or twice, it tends to be very hard to navigate

**ozan301** · July 1st, 2012, 10:29 AM

I have no idea about that :-S

**R3CON** · July 1st, 2012, 09:33 PM

dep web is for secret agents... of course ive been there

**Bestado** · July 3rd, 2012, 12:10 AM

This is really cool. I’ve never really heard about it until now. I’m glad I checked it out and naturally I’m very interested in it but considering all of the illegal, crazy, disgusting stuff that goes on down there I don’t think I want to try to even get a glimpse of what goes on in there. It really makes me think of how much of a double-edged sword the internet is.

**LiamAbraxas** · July 3rd, 2012, 02:19 PM

A very good and fascinating thread!
I admit it got me curious but I'd tryed Thor once with the program installation and the FF addon (button) and I simply couldn't operate my browser -it took all to long and has been a desperating experience for I access internet for Wi-Di only, so, for those reasons and mainly by my safety concerns since I really have affection for this particular machine of mine, I may postpone a little more my visit to the dark side. But I will subscribe and follow this great thread - its a keeper!

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