Thread: Ron Paul

It's a bit disheartening for me to see some of the posts re. Ron Paul HERE in this forum. I guess I had the idea that the people that would be in this forum were more informed and would not buy into the mindless corporate-military-pharma-hollywood BS line that is spun in the mainstream media.

"Ron Paul is looney"
"Ron Paul can't win"
Blah Blah Blah....
Regurgitation...
Defeatism...
Corporatism...
Fascism....
All we are saying is give BS a chance....



I can't believe that someone would say "too much liberty". Really? There's something like "too much liberty?"

If you think Ron Paul is looney tunes then for sure we are in deep doo doo and you really need to look at the big picture.


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I hope for the sake of hummanity Ron Paul wins.
In defense of those silly attacks against Doctor Ron Paul:

Originally Posted by lococo

I know that in the Brain Stew section we're supposed to write elaborate thoughts and opinions, however, my question is very straightforward yet very complex.

Do you support Ron Paul?

Which of his view attract or repulse you, and why?

i'm sorry, i would rather give the responsibility of America to Ron White and his awesome memory skills than to Ron Paul.

I would also not confuse him with RuPaul.

On paper, Ron Paul has a lot of good things going for him. But one must be a fool to think that the "important people" is going to let this one man out-turn the whole establishment. What ppl fail to realize, our problems are technical not political; politics are not the answer to our problems. If anything, trusting the politic route has not ultimately been promising since its inception-- think about it.

And a second one by the same artist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRxMQhn0WAg

People tend to say that Ron Paul has no chance of winning, plainly and simply, because they are just too dumb to know real change and liberty when it is right in front of them. I for one have read George Washington's Farewell Address, and I am paraphrasing here when I say that he told our people to keep to a path of non-intervention. That included staying out of any foreign matters whatsoever. In fact, I would say take a look at Switzerland, since they are landlocked in the craziest part of the world (European Dis-Union). Even though they are actually a part of that megalomaniacal organization, the Swiss prove that the ideals of non-intervention actually work very well, although it is true that they have not avoided alliances as Washington warned.

Also, when Paul talks about eliminating the corruption-laden bureaucracies (all the "Departments" that we have), his alternative is to have state and local governments, and the communities in which people live, be the institutions which provide services. You can surely understand that some liberal, progressive slave-of-the-state in D.C. cares nothing for us, right? If you do not comprehend that, then I am sorry for you, please go and educate yourself in common sense. The politicians we have now just want to fill their coffers. Actually, starting in the 1920s and 1930s, when the Federal government was consolidating power, America began it descent into the Rome syndrome where the concept of "Empire" became the focus instead of real governance.

I think this thread needed a bump, considering that everyone but Romney and Paul is left in the race. People need to understand that it's a delegate race.

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Warren G. Harding walked into the Republican convention with the least amount of delegates and walked out with the nomination and soon after became the 29th president of the United States.



Ron Paul vs Paul Krugman on the economy.

Originally Posted by prettykitty

I agree with you on drugs, but I'd make the case that wiretapping and welfare have improved our society. It's all subjective though.

Wiretapping and welfare have improved our society? Hardly.

Originally Posted by Himanlickman

Yeah, everyone bitches about him cutting programs, not understanding that America is over 2 trillion dollars in debt. You could throw armfuls of hundred dollar bills out of your window as a fulltime job for the rest of your life and never reach that amount of debt.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Originally Posted by prettykitty

Because not everybody believes that our country would be in better shape by eliminating the department of defense, education, commerce, health and human services, and homeland security.

In addition, I have been fortunate to enough to speak to a handful of economists regarding Ron Paul's view on the Fed, and they all said that Paul is completely off base. Paul maintains that our higher price level today has whittled the share of income accruing to labor, but there is no statistical evidence to back these claims.



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The politicians in Congress and the White House are by far the most competent and capable of running our nation. The average American likes to believe they could do a better job, but the reality is they have little understanding of political institutions.

As for "the American Dream", well, I'd argue that statistics show that no such thing has ever truly existed.

No where has Dr. Paul said or other wise eluded that he would or wanted to "eliminate" the DoD.

However Dr. Paul has openly stated he would restructure the DoD and do away with needless programs, such as the RAH-66 Comanche, XM8 Modular Weapons Platform and M8 "Buford" Armored Gun System...all of which produced absolutely nothing, except billions of wasted tax dollars.



Department of Defense Expenditure Breakdown for 2012:

DOD spending: $707.5 billion
FBI counter-terrorism: $2.7 billion .
International Affairs: $5.6–$63.0 billion
Energy Department, defense-related: $21.8 billion
Veterans Affairs:$70.0 billion
Homeland Security: $46.9 billion
NASA, satellites: $3.5–$8.7 billion (Between 20% and 50% of NASA's total budget)
Veterans pensions: $54.6 billion
Other defense-related mandatory spending: $8.2 billion
Interest on debt incurred in past wars: $109.1–$431.5 billion

Total Spending: $1.030–$1.415 trillion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milita...kdown_for_2012



Department of Education Budget for FY2012: $77,400,391,000

The Department of Education budget has risen every year. The highest educational budget of any developed nation, yet the US places 17th in the entire world.

The "No Child Left Behind Act" was passed because of the massive public concern for lack of basic skills among youth.

The Education Department is failing, has been failing and will continue to fail at it's sole purpose.

I'm not even going to go into Student Loan Debt and the growing number of unemployed college graduates, but I will touch on the Education Department procurement of twenty-seven 870 Remington 12ga. Shotguns.

FY2012 Education Budget

http://m.whitehouse.gov/sites/defaul.../education.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educat..._United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...3d1c3dee0039b2





Department of Commerce Budget for FY2012: $14.0 Billion

-The mission of the department is to "promote job creation and improved living standards for all Americans by creating an infrastructure that promotes economic growth, technological competitiveness, and sustainable development".


March 2012 unemployment rate according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics: 8.2% (12.7 Million)

Of course the US government only counts people who are currently on Unemployment Benefits, but neglects to count those who have expired their benefits or elected not to use them.

Do we even need to address the multitude of departments within the Commencement Department that preform the same duties as other departments, agencies, ect... not only with in the Commerce, but other departments and agencies.

It seems the majority of the Department of Commerce is failing at it's "mission".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...nt_of_Commerce

http://m.whitehouse.gov/sites/defaul...s/commerce.pdf

United States Unemployment Rate

Commerce Department 2012 Budget Cuts Spending, Invests in Priorities to Help America Win the Future | Department of Commerce




Department of Health and Human Services Budget for FY2012: $79.2 Billion

I don't even want to go into this, it is the boondoggle of all boondoggles.

US obesity is at 52%, HALF of the US is obese.

The leading cause of death in the US is Heart Disease.

FDA is on a rampage against the Amish, organic foods and home gardens.

Do you have any idea how many agencies and department other than the CDC study or preform disease control and prevention?

H1N1, Obesity Epidemic, food scares, contaminated foods, ect... how in the world does the HHS even manage to justify it's existence to Congress.

Federal Budget 2012 | The Washington Post

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesit..._United_States



Department of Homeland Security Budget of FY2012: $55.1 Billion

-In the United States, the concept of "Homeland Security" extends and recombines responsibilities of government agencies and entities. According to Homeland security research, the U.S. federal Homeland Security and Homeland Defense includes 187 federal agencies and departments,[2] including the United States National Guard, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the United States Coast Guard, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services, the United States Secret Service, the Transportation Security Administration, the 14 agencies that constitute the U.S. intelligence community and Civil Air Patrol.

Every agencies within DHS existed prior to it's existence. Yet for some odd reason we had to create a department to put them all into, because they weren't doing a horrible enough job within their separate parent departments already.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services

Because one would not suffice, so we have THREE agencies that deal with customs, immigration and border protection. I mean, the 13.5 MILLION illegal aliens in this country, the unsecured borders... they're not any indication that they completely fail at their purpose as government agencies.

Transportation Security Administration, I'd post some things on this, but the sheer amount of news articles and personal blogs surrounding not only the blatant violations of the 4th Amendment by the TSA, but the sexual harassment and abuse would surely crash T-I.

Coast Guard, probably the most useful and justifiable within DHS...but what in the heck was the purpose of moving the Coast Guard for the DoD, to the DoT and then to DHS. Looks like somebody needed to rearrange so departments to justify the existence of another.

Secret Service, because the Treasury Department wasn't doing just fine as the parent department. Prostitutes not included.

Federal Emergency Management Agency, I'm not even going to comment on this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homela..._United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...eland_Security





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH...9udUu5qkVX_2iQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gKX...ure=plpp_video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb1n1X0Oqdw




Most competent and capable...

Fraud, lies, profiteering, racketeering, warmongering, corporatist, industry moguls...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PkW...eature=related



Looks like Dr. Paul isn't so "loony".

I respect him for standing up to Republicans who aren't true Republicans

I do not respect many of his ideas such as dumping so many parts of the Government which come off as "cool" to everyone but in reality would be disastrous for the many in this country who use these parts of the Government. And no, I don't mean dependent programs but regular programs.