Thread: Increasing your ratio using File Hosting services

Hello everybody,

I thought of this today and I wanted to share it with you to know what you think about it.



Since, besides torrent, I also use Rapidshare to download stuff, I thought that this can be used to my (and yours) advantage for what concerns ratios. How?

Simple: when you download a file, let's say Dr. House whicever episod you check if there is a torrent that contains a file with similar size (just a pre-check, it has to be exactly the same file, otherwise it won't work), download it and try to seed what you've just downloaded via Rapidshare on the tracker for which you need to increase the ratio.
This way you download nothing from the tracker (so it will not decrease your ratio) but will only upload!

Let me know what you people think.
I hope this may help someone who has trouble with his/her ratios.

Have a good day!

isn't this also known as cross/outside seeding but your first getting the torrent from rapid share then your finding the same exact torrent from a private tracker to do a check and start seeding correct?

Originally Posted by TORRENTBEAST

isn't this also known as cross/outside seeding but your first getting the torrent from rapid share then your finding the same exact torrent from a private tracker to do a check and start seeding correct?

Yes, this is exactly what I meant. I didn't know it was called "cross seeding," my terminology is pretty scarse. Now I know one more thing.

Well, you're not really cross-seeding since you never did download the file from another tracker. This method does work since I've been doing it for awhile now. Rather than downloading my files from Rapid Share or some other media share provider, I download them from IRC and seed them to the trackers.

The problem with this is Rapid Share, IRC and other services usually get their files from the torrents. By the time they download the files, upload them, you download the file, and rehash it, you're wasting quite a bit of time and, thus, the majority of the peers have already become seeders.

This method will work at places with a large peer-base, though. It works decently at TL and IPT. It won't be as effective at SCC, BMTV, RevTT, or any other trackers with a small peer-base and whose users are mainly seedbox owners. Yes, your ratio will obviously increase, but probably not as much as downloading it directly from the tracker and being one of the first with completed torrent in the swarm.

Originally Posted by el2em

This method will work at places with a large peer-base, though. It works decently at TL and IPT. It won't be as effective at SCC, BMTV, RevTT, or any other trackers with a small peer-base and whose users are mainly seedbox owners. Yes, your ratio will obviously increase, but probably not as much as downloading it directly from the tracker and being one of the first with completed torrent in the swarm.

True, but you have to keep into account that if you have, for example, a 0.400 Kbps Up connection, when you download a 30 Gb movie, you're gonna take a looot of time to reup, renstablish the 1:1 ratio and pass it so that you gain something. In the meantime people with seedboxes have anyway got in front of you, that's why I think it's worth doing it. If you have a seedbox you don't care, since you probably at least have a 100/100 MB Down/Up.
I think something should be done for people that have asymmetric bandwidth: not everybody can afford to buy a seedbox. Like counting double or triple UP for those ones who need it.

This is a good idea, but like el2em said, This take time and while you are doing it, people finish downloading and become seeders, and then you get low speeds. But thanks for the information.

Regards

Originally Posted by vtaugusto

This is a good idea, but like el2em said, This take time and while you are doing it, people finish downloading and become seeders, and then you get low speeds. But thanks for the information.

Regards

I know, in fact this is an "in extremis" solution for those ones who cannot afford to download anything if the don't want to worsen their ratio further.

Oh, for sure. I agree with you completely. This will definitely help users with slower connections. But again, it will probably be more effective at trackers with a larger peer-base where torrents stays active for longer periods.

What I want to clarify is "some upload is better than none at all".

Even if it's only a little bit, these amounts compounded hourly, daily, weekly will still add up and will definitely help users with slower connections.

Originally Posted by el2em

Oh, for sure. I agree with you completely. This will definitely help users with slower connections. But again, it will probably be more effective at trackers with a larger peer-base where torrents stays active for longer periods.

What I want to clarify is "some upload is better than none at all".

Even if it's only a little bit, these amounts compounded hourly, daily, weekly will still add up and will definitely help users with slower connections.

So true...
I was wondering if, besides doing what I said, if a file is found on more than one tracker, it can be seeded to say both of them without getting complains. Can it be done? If yes, how? Should I get the tracker URL and put it somewhere, or just start another separate file as seeding only?

Thank you!