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    First off I would like to state that I am kind of paranoid about this issue and that the hole I am describing is probably not as deep as it might seem from my point of view.
    Since this is a small private tracker, none of the below might ever be relevant for you as long as you don't use 'dangerous' sources to download from, like open trackers (piratebay and the like).

    Since there has been some development in legislature in some European countries and the US, I thought I'd share some of my thoughts on what to do about it.

    Mainly I am referring to the European data retention directive, that obliges ISPs to store information about all connections made via their infrastructure, store it for a minimum of 6 months and make this information available to law enforcement (anti-piracy organizations are trying to change legislature to get access too) and the decision of American ISPs to start actively monitoring traffic for copyright infringement (ie torrent traffic,
    http://torguard.net/blog/?p=15
    ).

    Apart from the abuse issue (
    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/04/european-data-retention-directive-work-polish-authorities-abuse-access-data
    ), this should actually be interesting for every active member of this site.

    Most likely your ISP stores all your connections to the tracker and the website. While they probably (if you encrypt your torrent traffic) cannot see what you are transferring, they can see how much you are transferring and where that traffic goes.

    This may or may not be enough to convince a judge that you are guilty of sharing copyrighted material. It may be enough for a judge to give police permission to search your home, I don't know, I am not a lawyer. Anyways, the argument could go something like "this person heavily connects to a bad site (has torrent in its name) and transfers lots of data - so we are reasonably sure that illegal things are going on".

    Suppose this tracker is infiltrated by infringement hunters. They now just have to scrape IP addresses off the tracker and go to their favourite judge to ask for connection data - maybe even go to the ISP directly. Might be paranoid but not unthinkable. Then you are in deep shit as they have hard evidence against you.



    Suppose you download from public trackers and you arouse suspicion. After taking a look at your connections they would know about your activities on this site, too.

    While this might all be not very likely, it is possible, and I guess what I am trying to bring across is, that it is very easy to build a case against you based on your connection data.

    So, what to do about it?
    option: stop downloading - safest thing I can think of - but at this moment not for me

    I guess that a first stop should be at google or duckduckgo for that matter and find out how to secure your torrent transfers.

    I give a no-way exhaustive list of what I implemented or thought about implementing on my system.

    .) disable dht
    .) enable/require encryption - I encrypt any traffic I can encrypt
    .) block corporate ips
    http://forum.emule-project.net/index.php?showtopic=19247
    .) use public dns-servers, for instance see
    http://www.opendns.com/
    or google public dns, ie 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4
    .) get a seedbox - might be the best option apart from abstinence
    .) use the services of a vpn provider,
    http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymity-seriously-111007/
    , there are other that are not on this list, but to get you started
    .) give usenet a go


    EDIT: The above article is a word for word copy of the original article. None of the above was written by me. Credits to the original writer
    m*****x

    SOURCE: From a private tracker forum (I am not posting the link to protect both me and the site. If any mod wants to verify my source he/she can ask n I will PM him/her the link)
    Last edited by Night_Crawler; May 18th, 2012 at 09:36 AM.


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    Nice article. I would suggest getting a seedbox with SSH tunnel. and encrypt everything though that. Works similar to a VPN without having to pay for both if you already have a seedbox. After you set up your tunnel with something like Tunnelier, just grab an extra browser (I use firefox ) and set it up to run through a proxy. after your set up check your Ip address at speedtest or any other whatsmyip. it if set up correct it should now be different than your original ip. you can use one browser set for secure and one non secure and they should both have different ip addys.

    I currently am using google chrome for regular at home browsing and Firefox for my torrent needs.
    yes my IP provider still knows I am downloading large amounts of data but they cant see from where and with Tunnelier I encrypt all my transfers to help and keep them private also.

    Whatbox.ca provides seedboxes with SSH capabilities and also provides a wiki on how to set up the tunnel for use.

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    Call me crazy but at some point all this copyright insanity has to come back and hurt the major corporations that back it. Consider all the time, money and resources (however large or small) it takes to track down one single IP and PROVE without a REASONABLE doubt that they are in fact downloading copyrighted material. Sure you can see who they were downloading from and how large the torrent, but what does this really prove? Thousands of torrents on these sites are perfectly legal, how can they prove that this file is not one of them? Furthermore personally I dont see many organizations pursuing serious legal channels without knowing at least what the supicious file is, and that it is in fact copyrighted material. Sure it can be done, but at what cost? And what's the payoff? One kid with no equity, and ultimately one less connection in a swarm of millions. Personally I see it as you would have to be creating alot of ripples in the water, without taking any precautions, to find yourself under some sort of prosecution. DO NOT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT HOWEVER! All I am saying is that it seems as if all this effort required to corner a single torrentor seems insane when you consider the $15 blueray that they are going after the kid for. Sure the problem as a whole leads to billions of dollars lost. But going after that one kid costs a substantial sum as well, and again, what do they gain from it?

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    In Sweden, where I live, the police can enter your apartment/house on a hunch.
    I had my cousin staying with me for 6 months. The police raided my apartment 3 times!!!
    Without any legal papers. This pissed me off.
    I really liked the article, I have a seedbox, and IF i DL from public tracker I only use the magnet links.
    Is the magnet links any safer in reality?

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    Oh damn, too long to read. In summary, Security = Seedbox, VPN, VPS, ZBigZ ?

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    Is Usenet really that much more secure? If so I may just scrap my seedbox and pay the usenet monthly fee...

    Good read, thanks for the info. :)

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    Are there any seedboxes that people can recommend? Are they all secure from ISPs eyes, or do you have to set them up to be secure?

    Also, when not using a seedbox how do you encrypt? And how can I find out if a tracker allows encryption?

    (I'm quite new to this, but paranoid too)

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    The first option, stop downloading, might not be a doable option for most people :). Would it make much difference if you stay away from stuff that are too mainstream that most likely "owned" by the big boys? For example, Rihanna/LMFAO/Gaga for music or The Expendables, The Hurt Locker for movies. Many people can surely live without them :).

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    Thanks for this was very insightful

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    If one uses a seedbox based in a diffrent country, it should be sufficient.Here the domestic movies are the biggest risk. Swedish law enforcement does not care that much about foreign stuff. A big plus for me. =)

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