Thread: Favorite Ratio System

So I'm trying to compile what would be the best ratio system out there. So I'm asking all of you, how would you like ratios to work? And I don't want ratioless and thats it, cause that's too simple. However, if ratioless is a system you do like, do you like points to be thrown in or some sort of system do you like involved with it, like points for a store or something. If ratio, what kind of bonuses to help with seeding, if any at all. Something fair and good for the users. Use your imagination, or describe an existing one. Just go crazy

Gotta agree with DTM, I don't like ratioless because it's usually connected to a forced seed time. I wanna be able to seed from my box and download what I want from my home connection without having to worry about upload. My home connection is pretty much maxed out with constantly downloading. If I had to force seed everything I download for 48 or 72 hours I'd go mad. Besides, I'd probably be generating next to no upload speed on those torrents, they'd just be set to seeding without any power behind them. Also I'd constantly be deleting directly after 48 hours in order to keep my queue clean. On normal torrents, I leave them in there indefinitely and just don't force them to seed.

If I didn't have a seedbox, I guess ratioless wouldn't be so bad but since I do, I prefer being able to choose if and for how long I seed each torrent. Also ratioless trackers seem to have low seed-count on old torrents, old here meaning more than a few days... Overall seed-quality seems to be better on trackers employing a ratio system.

My favourite system involves freeleech on the popular torrents (IPT, BG, TvT.ro, HD-Ahoy). You want something old, rare or poorly seeded? You're gonna have to pay for it. You want something fresh, new and readily-available? No worries, grab what you need! :) The best example of a tracker without freeleech is BMTV. It's over-seedbox'd and without a seedbox and rss scripts it's impossible to keep your ratio under control. IMO torrenting shouldn't be as much effort or as expensive as BMTV makes it.

Another feature that's useful is something that BakaBT does. Bonus points for poorly seeded torrents, ie. an encouragement to seed the old and rare stuff. Great incentive to make sure all content on a tracker stays alive. I've seen something similar on HD-Ahoy with x1.2 or x1.5 symbols signifying that the upload value is multiplied. I prefer this even to the bonus points, because it's more tangible. So far I haven't seen any useful implementations of bonuses for the bonus points. Buying 1 GB upload for 100 points? Meh. Playing with them in a casino? Lol.

I like being able to transfer Upload to another member. Great for helping out friends who are new to a tracker or have a slow connection...

I never actually liked many ratioless site nor I am a member of any but 2...though those 2 sites are quite good..he he in terms of ratio system I like something which will help a user to get a good ratio something with point system maybe....and having a site with no H&R rules just ratio rules is always awesome....
or something like freeleech token system what they have in one site....


so overall in my idea:
A site should have a nice point system but still not so easy to seed so that we can get nice seeders on old torrent too....a small community with awesome members...

we can also have some token sytem which will get you some freeleech after a certain number...a system where we can transfer our bonus point like how we have in KG(only bonus can be transfered)....
and a little more bonus if you are theonly seeder on the torrent I think it is there in animebyt.... ;)

damn I need a mixture of all I guess...lol

I'm going to compile my favourite aspects of different ratio systems.

I also generally don't like ratioless due to the forced seed time however some implementations I've seen are quite good. I like the ones which require either a 1.0 ratio/torrent or a certain number of seed hours within a period to e.g. Libble requires either 1.0 ratio/torrent or 72hours seed time within a month of uploading/downloading. I don't think libble has this but a warning system before a hit n' run has been counted would be good too. ScienceHD has something like that.

As Exa said ratioless trackers tend to have few seeds on older torrents. Bonus points for poorly seeded torrents is a good idea. Such a point system is better if based on the number of seeds rather then the age of torrents. Some systems give additional points based on how old torrents are but this results in users downloading and seeding the oldest torrents and the not so old torrents can become neglected.
I also like it when points are connected to the size of torrents up to a limit. On ScienceHD you receive points based on torrent size in MB (up to 1GB) after the first 72hours of seeding. The max base rate you get is about 14cr/hr for torrents larger than 1GB. They also give an additional bonus rate the longer torrents are seeded. Every 72 hours after the second 72 hours gives a 10% bonus to the earning rate. The bonus caps at 100%. An additional bonus of 1% is given for every kB/s a torrent is seeded at. This caps at 100% bonus (100 kB/s). ScienceHD is probably one of the more complicated but better points systems I've seen.

I also like freeleech or possibly half leech or WTFleech (half d/l, 2x ul) on disproportionately huge torrents. This can keep alive torrents that would otherwise destroy a user's ratio.

One thing I hate is minimum download requirements like on TheX. Also as Exa said playing with points in the casino is sort of redundant.

Edit: I also like systems which inform you about torrents you've downloaded that have no sseds. Waffles has that needseed page and other trackers have a notice when there's a leecher on a torrent you've downloaded that has no seeds. Ideally such a notice would be on the home page. Combine this with a point system that has bonuses for torrents with low seeds or just 1 seed and you can keep torrents alive much longer.

That's all I've got atm.

I actually like the ratioless design. Take PTM for an example, for each torrent, you have to seed to .75 ratio or 60 hours. BTN also requires 1.00 ratio or 24 hours for one episode or 120 hours for a season. both site also implement a bonus system that is based on the seeding time and size of what you seed.

I think those of you who dislike ratioless design may be interested in NexusPHP. Trackers based on NexusPHP have a somewhat complex formular to calculate the bonus. Bonus is based on the size of what you seed and modified by 1) lifetime of the torrent and 2) how many seeders. Torrents themselves can be normal, 50% download, 30% download, free, and 2x upload and free.

It works like this way: those with fast connections will help the initial seeding. So new torrents get out fast. Then those with slower connections cannot realistically hope to achieve 1.0 ratio. They need to seed for a long time, maybe indefinitively, to get bonus point. Then they can exchange bonus point for upload. The more you seed, the older torrent you seed, and the less seeders there are, the more bonus and more upload.

There is even an improvement on this system, though it is hard to apply to 0 day sites. In some of the edu.cn PT sites, they have special "seed keepers". They all have good connections and each is in charge of seeding some old torrents. This way, you can be certain old torrents are seeded and well seeded.

I think it depends on the type of user you're trying to get and the type of tracker you want to build. Personally, I'm a big fan of tvtorrents.com system. You have a bank of "gigacredits" which is traffic credit. Downloading removes 1x the credits, uploading adds 1.5x the credits. So if you have 10 gigacredits and download a 2 gig season you have 8 left. If you upload that season to a 1:1 you have 11. Of course, this isn't going to work as well on a small tracker.

glasshandle; you described what i was thinking mate!

I also thinks the system depends on what punlic you wanna reach. If you want old torrents to be well seeded, you should put in place a bonus system.

Like, every user starts with 100 credits, downloading a torrents has to be paid with those credits. When seeding the torrent back (in GB's or hours) you get points back, who multiply when you are seeding for a long time.

Something like glasshandle described, but i didnt know it allready existed @ tvtorrents :)

l like ratioless trackers the most

i think instead of getting upload number, it will go to bonus.

like for example, if the site does 2x for every hour you upload and you download for 5 hours you will have 10 credits and you can use those 10 credits to add to your ratio. I think that system would allow people to seed and make it fair.

just my opinion :)

I think for those who are on unlimited traffic ratioless is a better option as most of the time the torrents I wanted to download have no leechers and have many seeders.
Well but a combination of ratioless and ratio can be a good mix like what they did in BCG i.e. you have to seed for 72 hours and if u find no leecher u can earn seed points.This is very good system.Though it is a bit complex for new users but once you understand it well u never have to worry about your ratio.
I also liked the idea what GFT is currently polling on like if you request a torrent then seed point get deducted and the one who filled the request gets bonus.