Thread: A brief explanantion on the process of being caught

just wanted to give my interpretation of the whole security/privacy/propaganda surrounding torrent usage for people that want to hear it.

Experience from research and common sense will tell you that your ISP's DO NOT CARE what you download. This is because ISP's profit greatly from us torrenters who pay for large bandwidth plans, and the fear of losing customers at the first sign of caring, (this has happened many times)

YOUR ISP does not (at least in the extreme majority) monitor what you download, the only way your ISP's find out if you are being naughty is when they receive copyright infirngment claims from companies who's sole buisness is to scour the web and wait for ppl to download a torrent that they are also downloading, from there they can simply see the IP address of everyone in the swarm, a modified torrent client (for example, they take the utorrent open source code and modify it) to automatically run a WHO IS search (this search can be performed here, the data returned from this search includes your ISP name and misc data) this is then logged in a database and then your ISP is contacted with an email claiming you broke copyright on the file they caught u on.

Your ISP (in most cases) has a policy to pass these on. In some cases the claim will include a request for your personal details, this will be refused (there are many legal actions impending where such companies are trying to make it possible to obtain these details, if they succeed you will almost definitely receive much more threatening letters directly from the companies, these will probably not be warnings).

So once your ISP passes on this letter (again they don't give a shit) you receive it and delete it and stop using public trackers. You then get your hands on peerblock if u dont already, you may also consider a VPN or a seedbox, or you may just delete it and forget about it.

I personally use a seedbox, that means that if say my tl account is logged by an anti-p2p company....

(tl has been infiltrated before so DO NOT ASSUME PRIVATE IS 100% SAFE, it might aswell be in comparison to TPB but never a sure thing, even combined with pg2 you are NEVER 100% SAFE) (sorry for the rant)



my real ip address will never EVER EVER be seen by the anti-p2p companys. I am not saying this is full proof in any regard, you could even combine this with an additional VPN service so that even if the seedbox operators are forced to give up your details (i dont know if this has ever happened or can legally happen or wether any seedbox hosts store any type of user data such as ip's) they will still not be able to provide my real ip.

So for everyone who read through all the above and all the people that gave up half way through ill leave you with a quote from unknown in big bold letters to grab the laters attention.





You dont have to be the Fastest, you just have to outrun the slowest.



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Just for information, Peerblock has superseded Peerguardian2...

The FAQ that explains why is here

The Download Site is here

yah i shoulda fixed that, im already running peerblock, changed a few weeks back,

Thanks for the addition, will update in above post

thanks for the info dude, i was nailed for downloading movies 3 times!! but i was just slapped on the wrists, but this was on a P2P site ( i think it was kazza and one time on a public tracker) i use a seed box now..... its much better a little slower using FTP but its safer or so i think

I would have to disagree with your premise that ISPs don't care about what you download. Look at the fact that the #2 and #3 ISPs in the country are Time Warner and Comcast respectively. Both of these companies are primarily cable television providers and stand to lose money to the trading of TV content. There have been more or less explicit statements from both of these companies that throttling P2P and BT traffic are a priority as a matter of preserving their own bottom line.

Thanks for your input pugpug.

Yeh i could understand that those companies might care. You could also argue that companies such as Telstra (Aus) run large sites selling music and games, p2p would cut profit from them too, but you dont see them hunting anyone unless court ordered too. Probably because no-one uses there second rate stores anyway lol

Now don't quote me on this; and it might just be a Canadian thing, but..

Recently (past month or so, I believe) I remember hearing something either on tv or on the internet about this situation.

From what I remember, someone said that the TV stations aren't losing views and money to people torrenting their shows and movies, because the money they get is based off of some number of possible views that they could get. Something like how many views the pilot gets as opposed to the actual viewings of the seasons.

Now; I most likely made all of that up. I do remember hearing something like that, but I bet that I suffer from memory loss due to alcohol abuse!


Edit:

I have received two copyright infringement notices, but they pretty much said that my ISP would come after me if they were sued.

Anyone else heard something like that or similar?

I agree with pugpugpug. Some of the major ISPs (in the US at least) are cable providers, and they definitely stand to lose a lot of money if people started cancelling their cable tv or premium channel subscriptions in favor of downloading torrents. That said, I think they'd lose even more if they helped the anti-p2p companies and got their customers arrested, thus losing the internet subscription as well.

Originally Posted by MAXIMUMdem

my real ip address will never EVER EVER be seen by the anti-p2p companys.

But wait... when you FTP into your seedbox, isn't your real IP logged? Even when using VPN, I'm pretty sure that just encrypts the data transferred between your PC and seedbox, but not the IP address (how else are the data packets going to know where to go). Lastly, if you're paying for the seedbox, wouldn't they also be able to track you down by your billing info?