Thread: Is P2P beating the Scene?

As far as HD content is concerned, that trend started already a while back. HDChina and CHDBits have been putting out the mainstream Hollywood titles almost simultaneously with the scene, if not before them, for quite some time now. In fact, just look at the time some of the torrents for their blu-rays have been created, and one can see that in some cases this goes like 1-2 months before the actual upload. I would guess that the source for the Blu-rays for HDC and CHD and scene is the same and its release gets delayed for various reasons...

The scene isnt "beating" p2p, theyre very different things (when it comes to certain things). The reason it says pre time not found under the p2p releases is because p2p groups do not "race" to see who can get it out fastest, which is what a pre time is. The scene does race hence the pre times. What im saying is pre times do not relate to p2p releases only scene releases, thats why you see the "not found."

Also for what its worth, p2p groups generally release in better quality but slower than the scene groups. Which is the reason you'll see a scene movie release in 720p weeks or months before you will see the same release by a p2p group. You sacrifice speed for quality and vice versa.

Josh wins the race of life everytime.

Originally Posted by Josh

The scene isnt "beating" p2p, theyre very different things (when it comes to certain things). The reason it says pre time not found under the p2p releases is because p2p groups do not "race" to see who can get it out fastest, which is what a pre time is. The scene does race hence the pre times. What im saying is pre times do not relate to p2p releases only scene releases, thats why you see the "not found."

Also for what its worth, p2p groups generally release in better quality but slower than the scene groups. Which is the reason you'll see a scene movie release in 720p weeks or months before you will see the same release by a p2p group. You sacrifice speed for quality and vice versa.

With all due respect, but that is a load of BS. From the OP it is perfectly clear what is meant by "p2p beating the scene". Usually, when the "scene" releases a rip of a "mainstream" Hollywood movie, it gets leaked pretty fast to the commonly available resources, i.e. trackers and file hosts. So, when you see a p2p rip released before a scene leak, it makes you kind of wonder, doesn't it? And that's pretty much what this thread is about.

Secondly, the fact that you don't see pre times for p2p groups does not mean they don't race. They do! If they were not racing, the major Chinese trackers (by this, I mean their internals) would not cap the uploading speeds for sources until their own encodes are released (so that they happen to be the first ones with p2p rips, though their quality remains questionable in my eyes). Similarly, DON would not be so tight with HDChina in order to release their encodes (which are certainly better than the chinese ones) as fast as possible (read, shortly after HDChina's).

And thirdly, the only reason why p2p groups releases later is because they get to the sources later, usually after they have been uploaded at CHDBits or HDChina. Since both trackers started releasing the Blu-ray sources at the same time or a bit earlier than the scene rips, p2p encodes started being released just a few days after scene ones. And this has not been like this just since yesterday, but at least an year now, if not more. It does not take weeks or months to encode 720p or 1080p (usually about 2-3 days worst case).

it appears i wasnt paying attention to the dates and thought this was just another thread about why p2p groups dont have pretimes. Completely my mistake and you are correct, im not sure I missed it to be honest, i jumped to conclusions which is pretty rare for me. You are correct. Although i believe the OPs post is far from "perfectly clear" he has a slew of posted information with nothing highlighted or made to stand out, i believe it was a pretty easy to make mistake.

although you are correct, how p2p groups race and how scene groups race are of a different structure and in comparison are pretty different structurally in my eyes.

The weeks or months comment was not in relation to the encoding from a source, perhaps i refereed to things too generally, i was unaware my post would be dissected in such detail :P It was directed as to how scene groups generally put out a release from some type of source weeks or months before a p2p group. Perhaps this is not how it works any longer, I honestly havnt paid much attention to the scene for quite a while now.

I was attempting to answer a question often posed by new people in a general sense that they can easily understand. That being said, I was answering the wrong question and one that wasnt asked. Perhaps it isnt as clear as you seem to believe mvg, not a load of BS, just a different conversation than usual where i managed to miss a fairly small detail.

I didn't even have to read josh's reply but i agree with him cause he is never wrong.

1.So is The Scene = Usenet ?

Or what would be the scene ? You mention these topsites. If someone is in a topsite then they are sceners ? But then if they are sceners, they also upload releases and you said scene release groups don't like P2P and only want to share with other Scene users. What is the point of all this ? Sceners are just users who get an adrenaline rush from uploading content, they don't actually use the content (i.e. don't watch/play with the content ).

2.We (normal p2p users) see scene releases in Rar format and according to my understanding that is because they are uploaded to Usenet newsgroups first. Hence my First point. Correct me if I'm wrong .

So topsites=>FTP sites=> Private Scene trackers like SCC or GFT => Newsgroups

Great flowcharts Mojito, excellent explanations.